I FOUND TWO 88 Alabama Trooper Cars? Prices?

[lilalleykatt]

How much is two of these cars worth? I have found both of these just like they were when they were bought from the auction in montgomery..They are barn finds....How much are they worth?

[28HopUp]

Depends. I assume that the Alabama cars are SSP Mustangs, since you posted about them here. Do you know what year they are? I assume they are 1988's, which according to department usage info found online shows that 31 SSP's were ordered by Alabama. Local departments also ordered SSP's, so keep that in mind.

Do they run? A car described as a "barn-find" can vary widely in terms of condition. Can you see if the Buck Tags are there and read them? Getting the door sticker information is also very helpful. Any pics?

IMO, an SSP Mustang that needs restoration is only worth up to $1K more than you'd pay for a regular Fox Mustang (again, that's my opinion). Granted, some SSP's are more desirable than others, but there are quite a few rare SSP's out there from several different jurisdictions, so the word "rare" becomes a relative term.

Again, would love to see pics. And welcome to the site!

[lilalleykatt]

They are 88 models..They Both Run excelent one has 47,000 orig miles and emaculent interior..The other one has 54,000 miles and Excelent interior also..They are both 5 speed cars and i will have them in my possion in 3 hours from now...Call me 1-205-382-9558 Brandon

Thanks

The buck tags and door tags are on the car...and are very legible...They have been in a airconditioned storage facility since they left montgomery back in 1993...Thanks Brandon

[efi-street]

Brandon, if you end up getting ahold of them, I'd be interested in one. I'm about 1.5 hours from you just across the GA line.

[lilalleykatt]

CALL ME IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN IT.....There arent many of these cars..>CAll me ASAP!!

Brandon 1-205-382-9558

Thanks

[ImEvil1]

Pics? :)

I knew where two were being kept in Birmingham (carport, not inside). Any chance these are the same two?

[BHPD356]

I just talked to Brandon and hes figuring on 10k for the car he has left.
He's gonna post pics real soon..

Thanks Joe

[ImEvil1]

Joe,

You must have been on the other line with him when I called. :)

Just goes to show....you never know when a rare SSP (or two) will show up for sale.

I last saw these cars in '06 (Jim Y., Bret T., and I took a look when we were at the MCA show). They had been parked there for years, and looked like pretty solid cars.

[svopaul]

Pics? :)

I knew where two were being kept in Birmingham (carport, not inside). Any chance these are the same two?

It's the same cars.

[NoDrama43]

welcome to the site...

great find.....(yes ImEvil these are obviously the same two cars we looked at under the "air conditioned" carport in BHam.)

good luck with the flip. you shouldn't have them long. hope you definatly sell them ASAP to someone who will give them a good home. IMO 10k for an unrestored car that has been sitting outside for years is a little steep but you never know. Alabama cars are very rare. The Javelin will go fast too so it should be a great week for you.

[lilalleykatt]

I am trying to load the pics its taking for ever someone callme to help me get it better..I might just put them on photobucket....and put a link up

[lilalleykatt]

http://s576.photobucket.com/albums/ss202/brandisha_taha/

This car is SUPER CLEAN...We just washed it and its amazing...Very Little Flaws at all...74,294 miles on the car...Its tight as a new one..Has a new fuel pump and we changed the oil before we drove it..

[1988Bullitt]

I heard a lot of stories last weekend down there, it looks like some of them are coming true.

[1988Bullitt]

These cars 2 cars were talked about by several people ( the carport cars ) seems like a lot of people knew about them.

I was also approached by a kid, I’d say early 20's that said he had 3 Alabama trooper cars. I told him about .net/.org if he ever planned to sell them or restore them. I also gave him my email.

The car that was at Talladega speedway museum is now back at the Montgomery post sitting outside deteriorating, from what I was told it needs a complete restoration.

So.... there could possibly be 7 out there? Mine, AL DPS's, 2 carport cars, and 3 (maybe AL cars) in some guys garage.

[Vintageracer]

Which car is for sale? The white car or the Alabama painted car?

How much?

Those are awful pictures. How about some better pictures and a little better clarification about what's for sale and how much you want!

[FHP813]

I think it's all for sale.

[Vintageracer]

Just got of the phone with the seller's "representative".

The price of the 88 Alabama SSP is NOW $12,500!

GOOD LUCK!!!!

[ImEvil1]

I doubt he'll see that, but I guess anything is possible.

It is what it is....an original, low mileage AL DPS car. If originality and low mileage are important to you, and having a rare care from an agency that didn't use many, then this one may be for you.

I haven't seen the car up close since 2004 or 2005; they both looked pretty good back then.

I think it's funny that people (on ORG) are jumping all over this guy for coming here to sell the car for such a high price. The market will determine what it ultimately sells for and where else was he supposed to list it? The dealers sell their cars at dealerships, not supermarkets. He didn't post here that he bought it for $500 and is selling it for $10K. He was lucky, has the car, and is trying to get top $$$ for it, which is exactly what dealers and flippers do. Does anyone know what he paid for them?

If he doesn't sell it, I'm sure we'll see the price come down.

[texunter]

Where is the other one?

[ImEvil1]

Where is the other one?

He already sold it...local PD guy in Birmingham bought it.

[1988Bullitt]

He already sold it...local PD guy in Birmingham bought it.

I wonder if this was a guy I talked to at the Show, Robert was his name, he was with the Montgomery County Sheriff's Dept. Really nice guy, said he had been looking for one?

[BHPD356]

Well I dont know how the car picked up 2500 in the last 18 hrs since I talked to him...He told me 10k just last night.
I will say this though, I just started getting into these cars within the last 6 months since I got hurt on the job.
All the research That i've done on the cars and prices only tell me that the prices on these cars will try to stay steady within the SSP community. Outsiders to the community are gonna blow these things through the roof and price the cars out of the market. I see it happening right now on sites like craigs list... "FOR SALE SSP Copcar with the fenders falling off for 5k".

Now if you read back thru the threads on the site from just a year ago guys were picking up real solid cars for 2000-2500.
I have a feeling those solid cars are gonna start to dry up cause iv'e called on probably 8-10 cars in the last month and from the information i'm getting is that the sharks are circling the boat on these cars.

Now the guys that already own SSP's will be happy with the price jumps cause it will only bring value to there rides. Guys like me trying to enter the hobby without breaking the bank will soon be priced out of the market cause the supply of nice clean cars will dry up.
The real SSP enthusiast will in time become upset because his once affordable hobby wont be so affordable anymore. The days of buying and selling cars for the hobby will become cost prohibitive because the sharks drove the price up and over the little guy and into a rich mans hobby.
I kinda reminds me of Harley Davidson in some regards. Wanna bees and flippers bought up all the bikes and jacked up the prices. In the end all the nice iron became overpriced rich mans garage candy never to see sunlight again.
Heck I may be way off the map here but something tells me I'm not that far off.
When I joined this board I was offered a beautiful car by a site member that was just a little out of my price range "According to my wife".
I'm starting to think the car was cheap considering some of the junk Iv'e seen out there.
Oh well, enough of my new guy on the board ranting.

Joe

[predator20]

Well I dont know how the car picked up 2500 in the last 18 hrs since I talked to him...He told me 10k just last night.
I will say this though, I just started getting into these cars within the last 6 months since I got hurt on the job.
All the research That i've done on the cars and prices only tell me that the prices on these cars will try to stay steady within the SSP community. Outsiders to the community are gonna blow these things through the roof and price the cars out of the market. I see it happening right now on sites like craigs list... "FOR SALE SSP Copcar with the fenders falling off for 5k".

Now if you read back thru the threads on the site from just a year ago guys were picking up real solid cars for 2000-2500.
I have a feeling those solid cars are gonna start to dry up cause iv'e called on probably 8-10 cars in the last month and from the information i'm getting is that the sharks are circling the boat on these cars.

Now the guys that already own SSP's will be happy with the price jumps cause it will only bring value to there rides. Guys like me trying to enter the hobby without breaking the bank will soon be priced out of the market cause the supply of nice clean cars will dry up.
The real SSP enthusiast will in time become upset because his once affordable hobby wont be so affordable anymore. The days of buying and selling cars for the hobby will become cost prohibitive because the sharks drove the price up and over the little guy and into a rich mans hobby.
I kinda reminds me of Harley Davidson in some regards. Wanna bees and flippers bought up all the bikes and jacked up the prices. In the end all the nice iron became overpriced rich mans garage candy never to see sunlight again.
Heck I may be way off the map here but something tells me I'm not that far off.
When I joined this board I was offered a beautiful car by a site member that was just a little out of my price range "According to my wife".
I'm starting to think the car was cheap considering some of the junk Iv'e seen out there.
Oh well, enough of my new guy on the board ranting.

Joe

Have you tried contacting this guy? It's a pretty unmolested car for the money.
http://www.specialservicemustang.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1782
http://www.specialservicemustang.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1774

[FHP813]

Joe, I agree 110% although the inflation will benefit those who have an SSP already, those who want one to fix or to drive or to restore (NOT to flip) will be out in the cold.

[ImEvil1]

Well I dont know how the car picked up 2500 in the last 18 hrs since I talked to him...He told me 10k just last night.
I will say this though, I just started getting into these cars within the last 6 months since I got hurt on the job.
All the research That i've done on the cars and prices only tell me that the prices on these cars will try to stay steady within the SSP community. Outsiders to the community are gonna blow these things through the roof and price the cars out of the market. I see it happening right now on sites like craigs list... "FOR SALE SSP Copcar with the fenders falling off for 5k".

Now if you read back thru the threads on the site from just a year ago guys were picking up real solid cars for 2000-2500.
I have a feeling those solid cars are gonna start to dry up cause iv'e called on probably 8-10 cars in the last month and from the information i'm getting is that the sharks are circling the boat on these cars.

Now the guys that already own SSP's will be happy with the price jumps cause it will only bring value to there rides. Guys like me trying to enter the hobby without breaking the bank will soon be priced out of the market cause the supply of nice clean cars will dry up.
The real SSP enthusiast will in time become upset because his once affordable hobby wont be so affordable anymore. The days of buying and selling cars for the hobby will become cost prohibitive because the sharks drove the price up and over the little guy and into a rich mans hobby.
I kinda reminds me of Harley Davidson in some regards. Wanna bees and flippers bought up all the bikes and jacked up the prices. In the end all the nice iron became overpriced rich mans garage candy never to see sunlight again.
Heck I may be way off the map here but something tells me I'm not that far off.
When I joined this board I was offered a beautiful car by a site member that was just a little out of my price range "According to my wife".
I'm starting to think the car was cheap considering some of the junk Iv'e seen out there.
Oh well, enough of my new guy on the board ranting.

Joe

Well said, Joe. :2thumbs:

[texunter]

Hey Joe, welcome first of all. Second, you are right on point! Unfortunately, my first and only ssp so far was a roller but that's the only way I could afford one. It's not "solid" as you speak of and not original by any stretch. I guess it depends on how bad you want in.. The cars are still out there but most are over priced because of the publicity. You will find one if you really want one. Good luck.

I can't wait to see a Louisiana car pop up, I think it would be even more rediculous under the same circumstances. 2c

[jpargo]

Joe,
I would NEVER sell my car unless I had to...It runs great and tonight I had it at a local car show with WHR44, his FHP car is a marked unit and both cars drew much attention. I can honestly tell you that it's turn key and the only thing left to do is install the equipment. I have all the equipment as well...please check my prior post as I was looking for a stick marked unit to go with this unmarked car. Unfortunately, my wife lost her job and I have to sell the car. I will purchase another one once we get squared away. In my opinion its cheaper to buy a car thats finished rather than buying one that needs work, just my 2 cents. That is unless you have the skills to do the labor yourself but even then it can get costly. Jim Y. or Gary SSP will attest to what the car is. I just registered for Carlisle in June, I will be taking it there if it does not sell locally. I also know WHR44 had an Arizona car he is thinking about selling to start on another FHP he has that needs lots of work. PM him if you are interested I think he wants $8500 and he got that car from Jim Y. as well. Its a 5 Speed and is not junk and I would say is a 5 footer.

[lilalleykatt]

Call me if you are interested in the car.and for $14,500 You can have the radio's lights and everything installed like it was back in 88..This car has been driven for 200 miles so far with not one Problem..Ice cold A/c..Emacculent paint..Just got done with a 14 hr wet sand and will start again tomorrow...Then off to polishing...Also had orig rear spare along with jack and handle..I also have all of the tag receipts and a Original State tag to go with the car...I will have pics up tomorrow of the coupe and i have been taking pics of the whole process of us just cleaning it up...It will amaze you greatly to see how this car looks..Its almost 100% Perfect..I did New plugs,cap button, and engine oil 3 times,It now has Mobile 1 in it...The rear diff has royal purple and the Trans has been serviced...The car has no door hinge problems of any sort.Everything is Extra tight..Also when we fired it up for the First time at the Guys house..There was no and i mean NO!!! Engine noise at all just Fired right up..Its been very very well maintained.Give me a call if you are interested...

The Trans is like New Money...Shifts Excelent Very tight stock shifter also..Its a 5 Speed to die for!
Thanks Brandon call me anytime..

1-205-382-9558

[ImEvil1]

Brandon,

If I were you, I'd take some good pictures and put the car on eBay to see where it goes. Raising the price here, after telling everyone you would sell for 10K, probably wasn't the best idea, either.

Good luck with the sale and please post any further updates in the FS thread I moved into the For Sale section here. Thanks,

[texunter]

Where in the rules does it say how long you have to watch your mouth? The shit is getting deep! Move this to the "anything goes" forum!

[YellowMurci]

Lol!

[NoDrama43]

Where in the rules does it say how long you have to watch your mouth? The shit is getting deep! Move this to the "anything goes" forum!

lol.....sometimes it is hard I know.

[NoDrama43]

Joe,

very nicely said. At one time I had 16 SSP cars, ALOT of them needed ALOT of work but I paid an average of about 3k for them. Not any more..... I am down to 8 and I am not buying anymore. I have enough work to last me the next ten years as it is.

Well I dont know how the car picked up 2500 in the last 18 hrs since I talked to him...He told me 10k just last night.
I will say this though, I just started getting into these cars within the last 6 months since I got hurt on the job.
All the research That i've done on the cars and prices only tell me that the prices on these cars will try to stay steady within the SSP community. Outsiders to the community are gonna blow these things through the roof and price the cars out of the market. I see it happening right now on sites like craigs list... "FOR SALE SSP Copcar with the fenders falling off for 5k".

Now if you read back thru the threads on the site from just a year ago guys were picking up real solid cars for 2000-2500.
I have a feeling those solid cars are gonna start to dry up cause iv'e called on probably 8-10 cars in the last month and from the information i'm getting is that the sharks are circling the boat on these cars.

Now the guys that already own SSP's will be happy with the price jumps cause it will only bring value to there rides. Guys like me trying to enter the hobby without breaking the bank will soon be priced out of the market cause the supply of nice clean cars will dry up.
The real SSP enthusiast will in time become upset because his once affordable hobby wont be so affordable anymore. The days of buying and selling cars for the hobby will become cost prohibitive because the sharks drove the price up and over the little guy and into a rich mans hobby.
I kinda reminds me of Harley Davidson in some regards. Wanna bees and flippers bought up all the bikes and jacked up the prices. In the end all the nice iron became overpriced rich mans garage candy never to see sunlight again.
Heck I may be way off the map here but something tells me I'm not that far off.
When I joined this board I was offered a beautiful car by a site member that was just a little out of my price range "According to my wife".
I'm starting to think the car was cheap considering some of the junk Iv'e seen out there.
Oh well, enough of my new guy on the board ranting.

Joe

[NoDrama43]

Brandon,

If I were you, I'd take some good pictures and put the car on eBay to see where it goes. Raising the price here, after telling everyone you would sell for 10K, probably wasn't the best idea, either.

Good luck with the sale and please post any further updates in the FS thread I moved into the For Sale section here. Thanks,

wow...Evil I am proud of you. such restraint !!! You are getting a little meloncholy in your old age... :) :)

[ImEvil1]

wow...Evil I am proud of you. such restraint !!! You are getting a little meloncholy in your old age... :) :)

Not really....just glad to see to car show up for sale *here* and hope to see it go to an enthusiast.

(GGG aside)

[NoDrama43]

there you go.....with the GGG stuff ;) . I was trying very hard to steer clear of that myself. The car is worth maybe 6k max since it needs everything. (IMO). People need to understand that it isn't the only one out there, and when it is finished THE CONDITION OF THE CAR NOT THE STATE IT IS FROM will be the deciding factor in what it is worth. I would rather have a concours gold FHP marked car ( a gazillion of them exist) than an Alabama car that needs everything for the same money. That is my opinion anyway.

[ImEvil1]

there you go.....with the GGG stuff ;) . I was trying very hard to steer clear of that myself. The car is worth maybe 6k max since it needs everything. (IMO). People need to understand that it isn't the only one out there, and when it is finished THE CONDITION OF THE CAR NOT THE STATE IT IS FROM will be the deciding factor in what it is worth. I would rather have a concours gold FHP marked car ( a gazillion of them exist) than an Alabama car that needs everything for the same money. That is my opinion anyway.

I hear you...I'd need to see some really good pictures first.

[svopaul]

I doubt he'll see that, but I guess anything is possible.

It is what it is....an original, low mileage AL DPS car. If originality and low mileage are important to you, and having a rare care from an agency that didn't use many, then this one may be for you.

I haven't seen the car up close since 2004 or 2005; they both looked pretty good back then.

I think it's funny that people (on ORG) are jumping all over this guy for coming here to sell the car for such a high price. The market will determine what it ultimately sells for and where else was he supposed to list it? The dealers sell their cars at dealerships, not supermarkets. He didn't post here that he bought it for $500 and is selling it for $10K. He was lucky, has the car, and is trying to get top $$$ for it, which is exactly what dealers and flippers do. Does anyone know what he paid for them?

If he doesn't sell it, I'm sure we'll see the price come down.

Best of luck to the guy selling them....I don't care if someone is making a profit but be honest about the sale. For example..."Stored in an air conditioned garage" when we all know they were sitting in a carport. This guy probably wasn't aware that some of us here knew more about these cars than he did. Things that definitely aren't helping him are the used car sales pitch talk and the fact that you give a price and then jack it up....sign of no ethics there since a mans word is his bond ;).

With that said I spoke with the guy who actually bought these cars for the recently passed owner last year who gave me lots of information on the cars and he stated that the mileage was over 100K but that these were nicely taken care of cars. This guy also stated that "nobody knew how to buy them" which is also an untruth...it was well known that the owner wouldn't sell them but once he passed his son would sell them quickly...which appears to be the case, this guy just got lucky to be in the right place at the right time....good for him, everyone needs a lucky break from time to time ;).

Bottom line...Profit is not a dirty word. I've flipped cars before and hold no ill feelings toward anyone doing the same. However...don't blow smoke up people's skirt and stand by your word...if you put a price on something...stick to it, don't turn around and start jacking up the price because you have a lot of interest.

I sold an AR15 not long ago and priced it too cheap for current market value...but it was a little more than I had in it. Instead of changing my mind and jacking up the price I sold it as agreed and stood by my word. To me that is the honorable thing to do.

But again...best of luck but he would do better to lose the used car sales pitch and stand by his word ;)

[lilalleykatt]

Here they are we cleaned it all up today..

[5pt0Joe]

Where in the rules does it say how long you have to watch your mouth? The shit is getting deep! Move this to the "anything goes" forum!
I love a good laugh!

[faslane]

Hey lilalleykatt, you just joined the site, and now you are selling them, are you going or have another ssp? I assume you are a enthusiast right.
Lane

[NoDrama43]

Hey lilalleykatt, you just joined the site, and now you are selling them, are you going or have another ssp? I assume you are a enthusiast right.
Lane

OMG....I just choked on my sweet roll... ROFLMAO

[MOstang]

I hope it lands in someone's hands who will do right by it as an SSP. It seems pretty clear the seller (or is it the seller's "representative" who has been posting) is interested in money and nothing more. While that's not such a big deal to me (especially when it's no secret), it does matter to me that he is inconsistent (to say the least) on sale price and overexagerats the car's condition. Regardless of what you think about the fairness of the price, it would be a fun car to have and enjoy. This has been one the more interesting threads to watch in a while.

[FHP813]

Hey lilalleykatt, you just joined the site, and now you are selling them, are you going or have another ssp? I assume you are a enthusiast right.
Lane

I don't think he ever claimed to be an enthusiast, he's a dealer out to make cash. I seem to recall a few new members signing up, getting info on their cars, help on equipment and decals only to sell their cars, and never to be heard from again.

I hope it lands in someone's hands who will do right by it as an SSP. It seems pretty clear the seller (or is it the seller's "representative" who has been posting) is interested in money and nothing more. While that's not such a big deal to me (especially when it's no secret), it does matter to me that he is inconsistent (to say the least) on sale price and overexagerats the car's condition. Regardless of what you think about the fairness of the price, it would be a fun car to have and enjoy. This has been one the more interesting threads to watch in a while.

I agree, bashing the car (the Mop and glow reference for one) is not going to discourage the seller. I wouldn't pay that kind of money or comment on any car unless I saw the car for myself. Then if you don't think it's worth the asking price DON'T buy it.

[1992b4c]

WOW! Bubba, you asking way to little for that car. :rollhappy:

[faslane]

WOW! Bubba, you asking way to little for that car. :rollhappy:

Now your turning this into a racial profile thing, just becouse he lives in Alabama does not mean his name is Bubba, come on man, keep it about the cars.
Lane

[ImEvil1]

Man, I never knew they were so many sets of panties lurking on here just waiting to get all bunched up in a wad...

Lane,

The guy is obviously not an enthusiast, so why are you even asking? Just to stir things up?

Take it to freeforall.org. We don't need it here.

[ImEvil1]

I don't think he ever claimed to be an enthusiast, he's a dealer out to make cash. I seem to recall a few new members signing up, getting info on their cars, help on equipment and decals only to sell their cars, and never to be heard from again.



I agree, bashing the car (the Mop and glow reference for one) is not going to discourage the seller. I wouldn't pay that kind of money or comment on any car unless I saw the car for myself. Then if you don't think it's worth the asking price DON'T buy it.


Well said, Berno.

[SparkSVT]

Now your turning this into a racial profile thing, just becouse he lives in Alabama does not mean his name is Bubba, come on man, keep it about the cars.
Lane


OH GIVE US A BREAK WITH THAT ONE..

[1992b4c]

LOL guys, I took it as Lane was joking.

[faslane]

LOL guys, I took it as Lane was joking.

I thought it was pretty funny? oh well.

[1992b4c]

:yes:

[ImEvil1]

Like I said, go stir the shit-pot across the way up. We're done with it here.

:stiritup:

[1988Bullitt]

Here they are we cleaned it all up today..
Good pictures, this car was definately equiped a little differently then mine. Since I don't see plugs in the roof for the lightbar harness or the antenna I assume it's been repainted?

[lilalleykatt]

Wow I can see that I have some explaining to do. I told my half brother that he could keep anything over 10K if he sold the car. My thinking was that no one in their right mind would ever pay that amount. He used my Motor City Marauders screen name to regisiter on this board for me and the rest came from him...Sorry...I am an enthusiast and I intend to keep this car. It is not for sale at this time unless someone makes a stupid offer. I have been trying to purchase these cars for many years as I live in the area. I am growing tired of my Trilogy supercharged and stroked Marauder and plan to restore the remaining Mustang to as close to OEM as possible...It is almost to nice to tear down and restore...I need to replace the original exhaust and am torn between putting an X-pipe and flowmasters or keeping it all original..I appreciate your feedback and apoligize for coming across as a Bubba used car dealer...I am as big an entusiast as any of you..With any luck I hope to be able to purchase the remaining 72 Javelin 401 from the same collection..It still has the original State Trooper plate on the back and is out of a time capsule...Thanks again AL

[lilalleykatt]

Good pictures, this car was definately equiped a little differently then mine. Since I don't see plugs in the roof for the lightbar harness or the antenna I assume it's been repainted?

I must have been painted back in 4/95 when it was purchased from the state...I have spent about 20 hours wet sanding the trash and orange peel out of the finish and it looks nice...the doors need to be blocked properly and repainted. The quarter glass needs replaced..Other than that it looks OEM

[BHPD356]

Ok let me get this straight just for clarification.


I told my half brother that he could keep anything over 10K if he sold the car. My thinking was that no one in their right mind would ever pay that amount. He used my Motor City Marauders screen name to regisiter on this board for me and the rest came from him

So what your saying you had no idea that your half brother was tearing up the internet Mustang Boards with pics, so called information (turns out misinformation) posting pics and making deals all over the USA.


I appreciate your feedback and apoligize for coming across as a Bubba used car dealer...

But then YOU apologize for you being "BUBBA" the used car salesman.

Yea ok, I'm buying that for a nickle. I guess I would only need $14,499.95 to buy the car now? While your sanding maybe you'll come up with a new story for us dolts to read.

Your story shifts like "NEW MONEY"

[lilalleykatt]

Take it or leave it..The CAR is not for sale PAL..I am not a dealer...I have tried to buy these cars for years and I finally have...

[ImEvil1]

Well said, Joe, and definitely in keeping with the .NET tradition of cutting through the BS and calling it like we see it.

Al, I will be glad to lock up your FS post (or your brother's or whoever posted it). PM me with any other concerns you might have about your account security.

It was fun while it lasted, but we'll call this one done. Thanks go out to those who disagreed with the seller and remained respectful while doing so. It is appreciated and did not go unnoticed.