1993 TX car

[ImEvil1]

BIN just reduced by a couple thousand. Needs new wheels, decals, lights (and a lightbar), but it is a '93 with black interior and 150k+ miles.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130361077171&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT

[28HopUp]

There's something about Texas SSP's that I really like...

[scoutdrivinrebel]

Me wants...

[ssp91ssp]

We all want !
yes TX ssp cars are sweet!

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hector

[scoutdrivinrebel]

We all want !
yes TX ssp cars are sweet!

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hector

Long history with this car. I've been back and forth about buying it for about 4 or 5 years. Should have bought it when it was still in Victoria back in 05-06. Price is a bit high for me now.

[NoDrama43]

Long history with this car. I've been back and forth about buying it for about 4 or 5 years. Should have bought it when it was still in Victoria back in 05-06. Price is a bit high for me now.



sadly this car was destined for this fate when it arrived in New Hampshire. Nobody on planet earth is the least bit surprised. Best of luck to the seller. Hopefully this one will end up in the hands of someone who will take it apart and do it right. The thread about this car on Cop-Car dot com is interesting also if you guys havn't seen it.

[FHP813]

sadly this car was destined for this fate when it arrived in New Hampshire. Nobody on planet earth is the least bit surprised. Best of luck to the seller. Hopefully this one will end up in the hands of someone who will take it apart and do it right.

Not for 12k. :No no: It will just end up another mediocre "restoration".

[scoutdrivinrebel]

I'd love to buy it and make it right, just can't pay that much for it without my wife killing me. I bid as high as I could. It really needs to come back to Texas though. I should have never let it leave. Kick myself everytime I see it.

The thread about this car on Cop-Car dot com is interesting also if you guys havn't seen it.

I'd like to read this, but I'm not a member there. Guess I should join up.

[YellowMurci]

The thread about this car on Cop-Car dot com is interesting also if you guys havn't seen it.


I looked all over that site and couldnt find anything

[Texaspony87]

:whistlin:

[NoDrama43]

Not for 12k. :No no: It will just end up another mediocre "restoration".

agreed. or..... it will get listed on EPAY another 10 times with a BIN of 14,995.00 by the next dealer that wants to hit a lick.

buy, sell, buy, sell, buy, sell, buy, sell, buy, sell, buy, sell, buy, sell. buy, sell, buy, sell ....

[ImEvil1]

BIN dropping like a hot brick. $11900 with 19hrs left.

[MOstang]

BIN dropping like a hot brick. $11900 with 19hrs left.
I hadn't noticed that yet...bidding has been $9,700 for quite a few days now.

[ssp91ssp]

It's a nice TX car , it was on my list of ssp's to maybe purchase .????

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hector

[NoDrama43]

The dealer selling the car should cut and run with 9700.00 and never look back.

Hector you have a PM. :)

[ImEvil1]

I hadn't noticed that yet...bidding has been $9,700 for quite a few days now.

Yeah...the BIN has been lowered several times.

[NoDrama43]

Yeah...the BIN has been lowered several times.

out of curiosity, what was the original (non-.org member) BIN?

[ImEvil1]

out of curiosity, what was the original (non-.org member) BIN?

Think it was $15,995, but not 100% on that.

[NoDrama43]

I can't keep track of all the multiple dealer listings of the same cars....over and over and over. If a car doesn' sell for 16 k this month will it sell for 15 k next month? A person would be crazy to buy one of these cars the first time they are put up for sale. Everybody has figured out to just watch the high bid, because it won't meet reserve, then it will get put up for sale for less two weeks later I think it is one of the reasons (besides the economy) people are reluctant to buy. Luckily I have never had to put an SSP car on ebay. No need to when 99% of the prospective buyers are among us. :popcorn1:

[ImEvil1]

I can't keep track of all the multiple dealer listings of the same cars....over and over and over. If a car doesn' sell for 16 k this month will it sell for 15 k next month? A person would be crazy to buy one of these cars the first time they are put up for sale. Everybody has figured out to just watch the high bid, because it won't meet reserve, then it will get put up for sale for less two weeks later I think it is one of the reasons (besides the economy) people are reluctant to buy. Luckily I have never had to put an SSP car on ebay. No need to when 99% of the prospective buyers are among us. :popcorn1:

+1. It's pretty much the same people doing it over and over and over again, too.

The action is done: $9900, Reserve Not Met.

[MOstang]

Looks to have been relisted w/BIN of $11,900.

[ImEvil1]

Looks to have been relisted w/BIN of $11,900.

Yep...same as before.

[NoDrama43]

yawn....

[scoutdrivinrebel]

So tempted to buy this car. I've wanted it for a long time.

[Charlie]

So tempted to buy this car. I've wanted it for a long time.

Call him on the phone and make an offer. If he has had enough he may settle for less and years from now you'll be glad you did. I paid 9700 for mine and I think long term its a good deal

[MOstang]

So tempted to buy this car. I've wanted it for a long time.
I always regret passing on something and later kick myself.

[NoDrama43]

So tempted to buy this car. I've wanted it for a long time.

This is the second time the seller has owned this one. The car has not changed, nor been improved upon but the price keeps going up every time it changes owners. Stube's Nebraska car has met the same fate. It was bought for a fair and decent price but now it languishes in "Flipperville" and the asking price is unreasonable. The 6k NCHP car is another perfect example.

If I was going to buy for the sole reason to sell these cars I would deal with cars in the 3500.00 to 6500.00 range. There are many more prosepective buyers in that price range. Very few in the 11,000.00 to 16,000.00 range. I think it is pretty obvious that most people are starting to have a better understanding about the direction these guys are pushing these cars. I will reap the benefits of their action 20 years from now when or if I sell my cars but I still hate to see it happening. It is always great when a new member posts ups about "finally" being able to get their SSP. In the coming years, as the prices get pushed through the roof by non enthusiasts, fewer people will be able to afford their dream of owning one.

I have been bitching about the GGG sellers/flippers/dealers since 1997 so this rant is nothing you all havn't heard before. I will jump off my soapbox now and get out to the barn. I have a ton of insulation to put in the walls.

ScoutDriven Rebel..... Offer him 9700.00 Since you are an .org member he will probably throw you a bone. Just don't sell your soul and pledge allegiance to the KoolAid Koncept. :No no:

[NoDrama43]

"private" auction again also.

[woodsideg]

93 ssp dso# 24-0476 on ebay check it out item #330400449747 nice car but !!!!! 7,800.00

[ssp91ssp]

I think it's now $$$ 7K

[NoDrama43]

listed now four times and the bids keep going lower.

[ssp91ssp]

PM sent .

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[NoDrama43]

got it Hector. ;)

[MOstang]

I think it's interesting to see how prices are with the current market.

[28HopUp]

I think it's interesting to see how prices are with the current market.

Isn't that the truth! Selling prices of low-end cars that require a full resto seem to have increased a bit (those that are <$5K), yet the prices for restored cars are flat or declining. The simple truth is you cannot restore an entry-level SSP for the cost of what these restored ones are going for.

[MOstang]

Isn't that the truth! Selling prices of low-end cars that require a full resto seem to have increased a bit (those that are <$5K), yet the prices for restored cars are flat or declining. The simple truth is you cannot restore an entry-level SSP for the cost of what these restored ones are going for.
Well put Bill! And I agree if you try to return one on your own to in-service condition it is going to cost you more and I'm afraid I know this first hand :crying: (note: I did know what I was getting into, though, so that was not a surprise). But it is alot of fun. And of course a nut & bolt restoration is an even greater example of how it can add up quickly.

[ImEvil1]

Well put Bill! And I agree if you try to return one on your own to in-service condition it is going to cost you more and I'm afraid I know this first hand :crying: (note: I did know what I was getting into, though, so that was not a surprise). But it is alot of fun. And of course a nut & bolt restoration is an even greater example of how it can add up quickly.

I think you both make good points. I'm kinda glad, in a way, to see this because I think that the values on some of these cars were waaaay overinflated to begin with. There are very, very few "restored" cars out there, and lots of in-betweens being touted as restored. I don't look down at someone who buys a restored car (there's probably always going to be room for improvement somewhere, anyway), but I prefer to work on my own cars. There's room here for all of us, whether full-blown resto or just "restification", but with the way some of the values of the cars were going after being passed around between people numerous times, I'm glad to see that it looks like it might be finally coming to an end. Maybe these people will think twice about buying a car with plans to turn around and sell it a month or two later.

Maybe I'll get one done one of these days, too. :rolleyes:

[NoDrama43]

This was posted on 4EP by EVILGT and without a doubt it is an eloquent post that really strikes the issue center mass. I am posting it here for members to think about and hopefully allow others to understand why some of us look out for the scammers and flippers that are only in this hobby for attention, and to make a dollar. This situation is not found in just the mustang hobby, but in all hobbies generally whether it be cars, guns, airplanes, etc. I personally do not believe the 'economy" had anything to do with the continued non-sale of this car. I do believe that members are becoming more educated and particular about who they buy from and what they are willing to pay. Here is the post.


Regarding "Flippers"

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*Flippers being the folks who pick up a car that they believe to be worth more than what they have paid for it and almost immediately turn around and try to sell it for a healthy profit.*

The economy has been doing funny things with the Early Fox market. We're seeing everything from wildly overpriced vehicles for sale to screamin' deals. It's certainly a buyers market for the ones who know what to look for. However, those of us who watch Ebay, Craigslist, Kijiji and other online marketplaces are noticing an increase of cars being bought and sold repeatedly in a short amount of time.

It seems that flippers are trying to get into the Early Fox market to make a quick buck. Many are finding out the hard way that the car they picked up for a seemingly low, low price isn't getting any bites once they've tacked on their "convenience fees," the convenience being that you're buying it from Seller B now, instead of Seller A. Since we have a dedicated group of folks who search for sale ads, these flipped cars quickly appear on the collective radar here.

Generally, everyone can accept a flipper who buys a car, dedicates some resources to improving the car, whether by extensive detailing, a little bit of maintenance, or other value adding activities and offers the car up again at a higher price that is still quite reasonable. No harm, no foul. Effort deserves compensation, most anyone can agree to that.

The ones that find criticism are those who are known to have picked up a car (or multiple cars) and quickly begin advertising it at an inflated price without having lifted a finger to improve the condition of the vehicle. These are also the individuals who typically discover that the price they paid was, in fact, a fair price for the car and there isn't any room for significant profit.

Our members can be quick to call out an individual suspected of being a flipper. They are typically armed with evidence of the car's recent availability from a different owner. They'll question why the car is now suddenly considered more valuable by the newest owner. They'll ask what has been done to the car since it changed hands.

We have a tight-knit community that tends to watch out for one another. They'll go the extra mile for other members, and they'll be sure to warn others when they suspect something is up to try to keep other members from getting taken for a ride.

Now, members should by all means be as civil as possible when trying to determine what's going on with a car offered for sale on this site. However, when replies from a seller get hostile, a bit of a "tough love" approach is allowed to happen here. Sellers who can't keep their cool immediately set off red flags for everyone. The number of profiteers and even scammers online continues to grow. This community does what it can to prevent its members from falling victim to any of that.

So, if you're flipping, be prepared. If you have a good reason for a higher asking price than before, be sure to state it. If not, be ready to explain yourself. It's only fair for potential buyers to want to be as educated as possible on a car's history.

[ssp91ssp]

Dam !!!! very well put by Mr EVILGT ....

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[MOstang]

WOW!!! That was really well written. :2thumbs:

[28HopUp]

Thanks for sharing that Jim. I read that before on the Four Eyed Pride wesbite, and it certainly has merit. Their forum is much like this one: most members have a passion for the cars; many members own multiple examples; cars are frequently sold between each other; and the members look out for each other.

I find it interesting how these SSP's continue to turn up. The internet and televised high-dollar auctions have certainly changed the dynamic of buying and selling old cars. I can remember waiting for the next copy of Hemmings Motors News to arrive in the mail. Those days are long gone, in the age of instant information. I'm not wishing for the good ole days. Technology has improved our hobby, and created many resources for finding, restoring, and enjoying these old cars with other nutjobs who share our same passion.

[NoDrama43]

thanks Bill and it's always great to know us "nutjobs" :) think alike on some issues. I think the post is right on target. It is not specifically targeting an individual, but it does target a group of individuals that buy cars, then sell them at inflated prices. Besides all the issues about misrepresentation, and "looking for sympathy" tactics that some sellers use, the real bottom line is always about making money, or having a tax write off for your business etc.

I had a conversation with a member last night who told me they wanted to buy a car a couple of months ago and couldn't get the money together quick enough. The car sold and then two weeks later it was listed on EBAY for 4k more. That car will now languish in "flipperville" until the new owner comes to their senses. There isn't anything we can do about it so the best thing to do is just forget and ignore the car. regardless of the hobby, these types of "members" will continue to contribute negatively. It is what it is. :thumbsdown:

that said.... I need to get back to the sand blaster. The TXDPS car has a date with the painter in the near future.

[NoDrama43]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ford-Mustang-LX-5-0-Mustang-LX-5-0-SSP-Texas-DPS_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem1e5acd7ef0QQitemZ13 0372435696QQptZUSQ5fCarsQ5fTrucks


I will donate 10.00 to the winning bidder that saves this car. Seriously !!

[scoutdrivinrebel]

I think it will sell this time.

[MOstang]

I think it will sell this time.
Are you going to buy it? Perfect match for your "looking for SSP that roamed highways of Texas" qualification.

[scoutdrivinrebel]

Are you going to buy it? Perfect match for your "looking for SSP that roamed highways of Texas" qualification.

Who knows, maybe?

[NoDrama43]

a little birdie told me that the seller will let it go for 9000.00. hopefully the "scratch" described doesn't require a repaint? Based on my experience I would request a very good photo and description of the length, depth etc.
That way there will be no suprises when it arrives on your doorstep. :thumbsup:

[1989 Tx DPS SSP]

If work wasn't so slow right now, I would be bringing it back to Texas.

Tom

[Texaspony87]

9k......pa-leeeeeeeeeese? Not sure I understand that.

[NoDrama43]

prolly the cost of the 50 point inspection process driving up prices?? Not sure.

[scoutdrivinrebel]

9k......pa-leeeeeeeeeese? Not sure I understand that.

Don't think it's worth 9K? Interested to hear your thoughts.

[scoutdrivinrebel]

If work wasn't so slow right now, I would be bringing it back to Texas.

Tom

It definitely deserves to come back home.

[Texaspony87]

In my opinion, the car in question was a hurry up and get it done vehicle. Inaccurate in most all respects etc. Had several owners. One, several times. I am not aware of any documentation that goes with it either. If a person is willing to spend 9...10...13k, which I believe was the buy it now price originally, why not stretch and get a fully documented vehicle for the investment dollar? The money would be better spent. Again... my opinion.

[scoutdrivinrebel]

In my opinion, the car in question was a hurry up and get it done vehicle. Inaccurate in most all respects etc. Had several owners. One, several times. I am not aware of any documentation that goes with it either. If a person is willing to spend 9...10...13k, which I believe was the buy it now price originally, why not stretch and get a fully documented vehicle for the investment dollar? The money would be better spent. Again... my opinion.

Can't argue with anything you have stated. All true. I was very surprised when it brought 13K the first time David sold it a couple of years ago. I'd still like to bring it home and take it back to correct 93 TX specs.

I should have bought it years ago when it was still in TX.

I love your car, just too much money for me right now.

[1989 Tx DPS SSP]

I think when Dave bought it originally from the guys in Texas, he paid mid 7's for it.


Tom

[Texaspony87]

True. It would be nice to see it re-done correctly.

[88stang]

This is the second time the seller has owned this one. The car has not changed, nor been improved upon but the price keeps going up every time it changes owners. Stube's Nebraska car has met the same fate. It was bought for a fair and decent price but now it languishes in "Flipperville" and the asking price is unreasonable. The 6k NCHP car is another perfect example.

If I was going to buy for the sole reason to sell these cars I would deal with cars in the 3500.00 to 6500.00 range. There are many more prosepective buyers in that price range. Very few in the 11,000.00 to 16,000.00 range. I think it is pretty obvious that most people are starting to have a better understanding about the direction these guys are pushing these cars. I will reap the benefits of their action 20 years from now when or if I sell my cars but I still hate to see it happening. It is always great when a new member posts ups about "finally" being able to get their SSP. In the coming years, as the prices get pushed through the roof by non enthusiasts, fewer people will be able to afford their dream of owning one.

I have been bitching about the GGG sellers/flippers/dealers since 1997 so this rant is nothing you all havn't heard before. I will jump off my soapbox now and get out to the barn. I have a ton of insulation to put in the walls.

ScoutDriven Rebel..... Offer him 9700.00 Since you are an .org member he will probably throw you a bone. Just don't sell your soul and pledge allegiance to the KoolAid Koncept. :No no:

Very interesting set of words you used there Jim. What do you mean by the term "KoolAid Koncept"?

[NoDrama43]

Ok guys lets get this car to a new home. I am raising my payout to 20.00 So the "net" payout to you will only be 8480.00 LOL Maybe with a little help this car will sell?? :)



Here is the latest on this car recently posted on .org:

I have lowered the Reserve to under $8500...and if you can collect on Jimbo's $10.....$8490 net...

[jpargo]

I think this car is worth what David's asking, I'm sure its going to sell at this new price. I think the black interior looks good too...:cool:

[ImEvil1]

I think we've discussed this one enough. Either it sells or it doesn't. I'm glad to see that the seller wasn't able to get $13K+ for a car that he's willing to sell for $8.5K.