White 1990 NCSHP SSP?

[tobiasfox87]

I recently picked up a 1990 NCSHP SSP, but I find it odd that it is a white car, and can't find any place where there was any type of equipment on the car, the DSO is 22 with a paint code of YO, also red interior with an auto. I was wondering if YO was common or not, since I can't seem to find any information on them. Only color I've seen them in is Black.

[ImEvil1]

I've heard of them in white....but you're correct...the marked units were black. ORG has a white one listed in the 145XXX VIN range...

[tobiasfox87]

Mine is 163471. I wasn't sure how odd it was for it to be that color. Definitely not too much info on the NCSHP ones, at least not that I could find.

[ImEvil1]

MOStang (Mike) has done a bunch of research on the NC cars and might be able to help you out.

Did you get documentation with the car confirming that it came from NCHP?

[tobiasfox87]

Sadly, I don't have any documentation. Only reason I'm almost positive its a NCSHP car is because its 4 digits off from another NCSHP car on the VIN registery on another site.

[MOstang]

From the door tag is white the original color, or was the car repainted from some other original color to a white color? Any marked NCSHP Mustangs were repainted a variety of solid colors after coming out of service and before being auctioned off. A

lso do you have any of labels with #'s on the located on the far left side of the driver side console adjacent to where the driver door attaches to the car. I don't have a better photo handy at the moment, but the link below is what I 'm referring to...one of the labels is cut off at the top of the picture.

http://public.fotki.com/MOstang/mustangs-previously/1990-north-carolina/photographs/prior-owner-lennie-/90ssppriorownerphot-9.html

Post up some pictures of your car when you get a chance.

[Cobra Jet]

Paint code "YO" translates to "Oxford White Solid". Based on what I know and have looked up in the past, the 1990-1993 Mustang paint codes were 2-letter paint codes, while previous years were alpha-numeric.

If that is the paint code you see on the driver's door VC label and floor pans under the carpet are "white" as well, it's no doubt the car was built as "white" from the factory. Not many places who do an exterior repaint will go through the trouble of painting the interior (or trunk), so that's a quick way of determining a vehicle's paint color.

IIRC, the standard Mustang BUC tag should also have the paint code stamped into it as well (along w/ many other codes) - this will usually be at the upper right, 2nd line of coding.

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The DSO you had listed correlates back to "Charlotte".

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Have you found any extra wiring anywhere in the engine bay, trunk, under carpet along rockers or under the dash? Also, sometimes 2nd generation owners (after the vehicle was auctioned) have been known to replace the dash & center console w/ replacement parts that no longer have screw or access holes as they did when the vehicle was in service, sometimes it is hard to determine if those parts were original to the car or not.

Have you pulled the carpet and/or rear bottom seat cushion or rear 1/4 plastics yet to see if you can find a build sheet? Sometimes the build sheet can be found in those locations only IF it were left behind at the factory and only IF the car's interior has never been tampered with after the Dept. auction. If you could find a build sheet, some of the SSP build sheets had good info on them as to how the car was ordered and what it came with when built.

[tobiasfox87]

Heres a few pictures I just took.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d86/TobiasFox/1990%20Mustang/P1000244.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d86/TobiasFox/1990%20Mustang/P1000239.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d86/TobiasFox/1990%20Mustang/P1000241.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d86/TobiasFox/1990%20Mustang/P1000245.jpg

[tobiasfox87]

Oh, and while taking those, I did find two holes on the drivers side quarter panel, in the trunk lip where they had the L bracket for one antenna. Other than that, I haven't been able to find anything, and the interior doesn't look like its been messed with. The people that owned it before me weren't exactly the best mechanics/body men.

[Cobra Jet]

That SSP was converted to a carb set up - correct? The engine bay is white. The "red" seen on the front bumper cover is because it was replaced at some point in time with a red cover and spray bombed white by whomever.

[tobiasfox87]

That is correct, I have a HO EFI engine in a parts car and going to swap it back, luckily they never cut any of the wiring harness and left the ECU in it.

[MOstang]

Oh, and while taking those, I did find two holes on the drivers side quarter panel, in the trunk lip where they had the L bracket for one antenna. Other than that, I haven't been able to find anything, and the interior doesn't look like its been messed with. The people that owned it before me weren't exactly the best mechanics/body men.
Congrats and thanks for posting the Buck Tags above. What you've described on the antenna setup sounds right. The NCSHP did not put holes in the dash as the NC Dept of Corrections custom made the radio stand. However, you might notice some parts of the dash that are flattened from that stand.

We don't have (yet anyway) interior in-service pics of one your model year, however, the link below is of a 1989 NCSHP unmarked SSP. The setup your car had may have been similar if not identifcal.
http://public.fotki.com/MOstang/various--special-se/north-carolina-stat/in-service-photographs/89nchp.html

The following link are pics I took earlier this year of the 1993 NCSHP SSP sill owned by the NCSHP...same equipment setup as car pictured above.
http://public.fotki.com/MOstang/various--special-se/north-carolina-stat/1993-ssp-mustang-st/

[tobiasfox87]

I went out and looked again, but I can't find any evidence that this car had any of that stuff. I'm positive that the interior hasn't been changed because it has been wrecked, and the rear end is bent. I'm pretty sure it was taken out of service because of this, as it only has 73k miles. These are a few things that have confused me about this car. And thanks a lot for the responses.

[Wolfe1013]

I have photos from 1992 at the Greensboro NCSHP office...in 35mm (see attached). One day I will get them scanned. They were upfitting a marked silver and black coupe with red interior that had just had it's rear deck lights installed and I think the seat was still out. In the background was a gray unmarked '89 (I think), auto, gray interior, silver 10-holes, total stealth unit. It had been taken out of service and was ready for auction. They let me walk out and look at it, but the only picture I have is from a distance. Sorry. I just know they ran both, marked and unmarked units. First SSP I ever saw was a marked NCSHP on the east side of Black Mountain. The same trip these photos were taken, I believe. Top left photo in the album was a Greensboro Traffic Unit SSP.

Sorry for the crummy photos from my Blackberry, I just don't have a scanner right now.

Good luck with the resto.

Greg

[Wolfe1013]

Nice photos MOstang. Love those NC cars. Some of my favorite.

I don't remember any dash scars in the gray SSP I saw. Too many years ago.

I love how the rear deck lights had those flip up covers on them.

[tobiasfox87]

Even with how rough mine is, I'm glad I bought it. The one good thing about it is that its a rust free car, and the body damage is just on the drivers quarter panel, which isn't too bad of a fix. The main thing is just getting around to working on it.

[MOstang]

Greg - Cool photos! We need to get you near a scanner. Would love to see those more up close. I don't recall seeing a Greensboro SSP photo before. Nice!

[Wolfe1013]

I have several more photos of that Greensboro SSP. I just happened to be there when it pulled up. A tall blonde officer got out and walked into a tanning salon. I about passed out...SSP, blonde female officer. :) I waited and waited for her to walk out and finally walked in to ask permission to take some photos of the car. She said OK and that she would be out in a minute. She took forever, so I just snapped photos of the exterior and finally left. Windows were up, so the glare messed up the photos of the interior (I don't even have them in this album, but I remember there was a switch plate made for the ashtray area, so that door had been removed). Greensboro did not run A-pillar spotlights on any of the cars back then that I saw.

I don't mean to hijack this post, so this will be the last photos I post in here.

Scanners are cheap now, but I've got enough printers. Geez, the only scanner you can find in the stores is an all-in-one, scanner/copier/printer and sometimes fax. Maybe I'll get one this weekend while out on errands.

[MOstang]

Thanks again Greg.

Ryan - I've done TONS of research and documented all of that for the NCSHP SSP's so let me know how I can help. PM me your email address and we can get in touch that way if it would be of help.

[tobiasfox87]

Like I said, the thing I was most curious about was the color. I've only seen one documented that was white, so I wasn't sure how rare a white one was. Thank you everyone for the responses :)

[MOstang]

That's a good question and hard to say. The NCSHP purged their records during a computer upgrade earlier this century (funny writing that and I think this is the first time that I have) and records were tossed for any car not owned by the NCSHP at that time. Just prior to auctioning off their marked silver and black Mustangs, the NCSHP repainted them in various colors (e.g. red, white, blue, black, etc.). That's why I asked if yours was originally white or not. They also had unmarked units in a variety of colors too. Over on .org they have the following in the VIN registry and it references white color (I don't know if it was a repaint or original color but I'd hedge my bet it was originally white).

1990 NCHP 145281 Color: White ext/Blue int, had 76,661 miles at auction

[ImEvil1]

1990 NCHP 145281 Color: White ext/Blue int, had 76,661 miles at auction

That's the one I mentioned.

I'd like to put together something for the site here with known, documented cars that correlates DSOs with agencies (and in some cases, how the cars were optioned). It would require pictures of the door tags and/or buck tags and other documentation to list, and not just word of mouth.

I do not think it's feasible to form a registry that lists every single VIN, since alot of these cars are long gone, and we are still in the process of learning about some of the others.

[MOstang]

Mike - That sounds like a great idea!

[tobiasfox87]

Mike, you're welcome to use the info from the pictures i took of the buck tag and door tag, if theres any other information you need, I can try my best to provide it for you.