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MOstang
03-22-2011, 07:43 PM
The newsletter arrived in the mail today so I've attached a scan (front & back) of the PCOOA 20th Anniversary Convention in Kansas City, MO flyer. Arrival is Wednesday June 29th and departure is Sunday July 3rd. A number of us will be attending so figured I'd scan and post it up here. Although some of us are members, a reminder that you do not have to be a member to attend. After the great SSP turnout last year at Indy, Jim Post has once again included an SSP class for Saturday's show. It will be good fun...hope to see you there.
NoDrama43
03-22-2011, 08:29 PM
Mike is this the show in Indy last year where everyone paraded around the entire show being "escorted" by ISP with lights flashing etc? Correct me if I am wrong but I heard there wasn't much of a turnout at that show except for the clan from .org?
MOstang
03-22-2011, 08:36 PM
Well part of it was escorted by Speedway police but I don't recall using lights. Another part of it was Indianapolis PD escorted with lights. As for turnout it seemed pretty good to me considering we're talking about old police cars. We had a large SSP turnout, which is good and yes most (if not all actually) are members here and I suppose .org too. For my experience this doesn't seem to be the largest niche of collector car hobby so it's not going to be a hundred car event.
NoDrama43
03-22-2011, 09:28 PM
Well part of it was escorted by Speedway police but I don't recall using lights. Another part of it was Indianapolis PD escorted with lights.
I thought this was the same event. I remember seeing pictures posted where it was mostly SSP cars, and all the excitement about the light parade etc. I doubt I will attend again this year especially with the price of fuel being what it is. Hope everyone has a good time though.
On another note I keep forgetting to post up those letters for you. I will do that soon.
MOstang
03-22-2011, 10:33 PM
I think we did all have a good time so would be great if you have a chance to attend. Hopefully the turn out will be good. You mention the gas prices and I could see that affecting the turn out more this year. I'll have a pretty good distance roundtrip from here. Can't recall what prices were a year ago but guessing not as high as it will be this year. It was a good time with all the different tours lined up and so forth.
Thanks for the mention on the letters. Am hoping to get a request off to the MSP before the Spring gets into full swing. Thank you.
ImEvil1
03-22-2011, 10:46 PM
Mike,
Just an FYI...since you are also a member of CopCar.com, you might want to do a little research on the PCOOA over there. They are not associated with the PCOOA, despite what's listed on the PCOOA website, and I believe that the founder of that club has been banned from CC.com as well.
CNTLOSE
03-23-2011, 09:34 PM
We had a large showing of SSP's with members from both sites and one that is not a member of either. The show field was about a 50/50 split between SSP's and various other LE vehicles.
Here are a couple pics from the show.
http://i461.photobucket.com/albums/qq336/cntlose92/2010%20Car%20Shows/100_6421.jpg
http://i461.photobucket.com/albums/qq336/cntlose92/2010%20Car%20Shows/100_6553.jpg
NoDrama43
03-23-2011, 10:13 PM
I was thinking the turnout was pretty lame. 11 SSP cars and about 14 other vehicles if I read the article correctly. The local cruise in every Friday where I work brings in about 200 cars. Much cheaper to attend that and way more cars.
I had also heard he was banned, but have never met him. If memory serves me right he created a class and an award for almost everyone that showed up. All that matters is everyone had a good time though, that is what it is all about.
ImEvil1
03-24-2011, 12:28 AM
My only reason for mentioning it was the flyer itself mentioning "discredit to the hobby", and award for "best light show", which I remember from previous discussions here about that particular event. You need to know the history, which isn't on this site.
I don't know the guy personally, but it's out there for those who are interested in reading it.
mbe2598
03-25-2011, 12:36 PM
Gas in KCMO today is $3.27 to $3.29 gal.
Light show.
Since I won that event last year I had to ask why. The 3 Indiana Troopers based their judging on " Officer Safety". My FHP 381 is original with the FHP Blue lights.
We had 48 vintage Police Cars registered, 12 SSP showed up, most all were ORG. members. There is a push this year by Copcamaro to get 6 to 7 B4C in one location.
The Org members have no problem in getting to gether, enjoying the cars and friendship, promoting the SSP. Yes Net member are invited to PCOOA and might injoy some of the Org members.
Motor Escort was done to get 48 cars througth traffic. No lights & no sirens from the 48. It does not take much to screw traffic up.
I would welcome Net members to PCOOA. You have a MCA show in Dallas in two weeks. 6 Org SSP Members coming from all over the US. I notice that Net has several members in Texas & Dallas, I look forward to seeing you there. Those 12 SSP members enjoying friendship, getting together and showing the cars.
PCOOA is in my backyard this year. I look forward to those Org members who are coming and would welcome the Net members to the event. Somehow we want to trash an event that has not even happened.
ImEvil1
03-25-2011, 01:27 PM
Gas in KCMO today is $3.27 to $3.29 gal.
Light show.
Since I won that event last year I had to ask why. The 3 Indiana Troopers based their judging on " Officer Safety". My FHP 381 is original with the FHP Blue lights.
We had 48 vintage Police Cars registered, 12 SSP showed up, most all were ORG. members. There is a push this year by Copcamaro to get 6 to 7 B4C in one location.
The Org members have no problem in getting to gether, enjoying the cars and friendship, promoting the SSP. Yes Net member are invited to PCOOA and might injoy some of the Org members.
Motor Escort was done to get 48 cars througth traffic. No lights & no sirens from the 48. It does not take much to screw traffic up.
I would welcome Net members to PCOOA. You have a MCA show in Dallas in two weeks. 6 Org SSP Members coming from all over the US. I notice that Net has several members in Texas & Dallas, I look forward to seeing you there. Those 12 SSP members enjoying friendship, getting together and showing the cars.
PCOOA is in my backyard this year. I look forward to those Org members who are coming and would welcome the Net members to the event. Somehow we want to trash an event that has not even happened.
Jim,
No one here is trying to trash the event, but we are very careful about who we hang out with and how the SSP hobby is "promoted". Light shows, videos of staged pursuits, Mustangs with LED e-lighting on them, people parking in circles in parking lots (drinking) with lights flashing while drawing chalk outlines of bodies are all things that are not what I'd consider positive promotions of the hobby. If you know the PCOOA history and choose to hang out with them, good for you. If you know the history of how some members from ORG act at car shows and hang out with them, again, good for you. Personally, I choose not to associate myself or the hobby with some of the types of people that you do. I also choose not to go to car shows with guys who are driving "restored" 2000-ish Crown Vics around. It's my personal choice, just as it is yours, and I'm apparently not alone. Many others here on NET and elsewhere feel the same way.
That's all. It's not a NET v/s ORG thing, as there are good members of both.
BTW....I'm not sure which car is yours, but I didn't see any FHP cars in the video that Mike posted last year that were original with respect to the lighting.
MOstang
03-25-2011, 02:23 PM
Mike - I just want to go on the record and say if I attended an event where people did the kinds of inappropriate and unsanctioned things you describe, I would be done and not further associate myself with them...period and end of story. I'm a professional in my work and personal life and don't have tolerance for that sort of thing.
Plenty of folks have been in this hobby longer than I have and experienced different sorts of things over the years...many of which have been documented. Some have had occassion to run unsavory people off from events, forums, etc. Relatively speaking I'm a newbee but in a few years have worked hard to contribute in as valuable and professional a manner as possible. I'm a pretty good judge of character and come from the Show-Me state. The past is important and helpful to know and it can be an indicator the future. But I don't live by the past or exclusively on experiences of others...rather I try and supplement those by using my own eyes and ears to see and hear for myself.
We have a delicate hobby and I take it very seriously. People I have met in person from the SSP hobby seem to take it seriously as well. I enjoy socializing with others who enjoy the hobby, seeing the various cars (the diamonds in the rough too), and the camaraderie that comes with it. This hobby seems to have quite an interesting history and I do respect your opinion. I'll continue to move forward, enjoy participating in the hobby, while at the same time keep my eyes and ears open and my "antenna" up from a professionalism standpoint.
28HopUp
03-25-2011, 02:23 PM
No one here is trying to trash the event, but we are very careful about who we hang out with and how the SSP hobby is "promoted". Light shows, videos of staged pursuits, Mustangs with LED e-lighting on them, people parking in circles in parking lots (drinking) with lights flashing while drawing chalk outlines of bodies are all things that are not what I'd consider positive promotions of the hobby. If you know the PCOOA history and choose to hang out with them, good for you. If you know the history of how some members from ORG act at car shows and hang out with them, again, good for you. Personally, I choose not to associate myself or the hobby with some of the types of people you do. I also choose not to go to car shows with guys who are driving restored 2000-ish Crown Vics around. It's my personal choice, just as it is yours, and I'm apparently not alone. Many others here on NET and elsewhere feel the same way.
Mike, you bring up an interesting point. When I bought my SSP I never gave any thought to the responsibility involved with owning an old police car. Granted, my car is unmarked, but the antennea and lights (covered) still make my SSP identifiable as an old police car. Once the car was painted and outfitted, I quickly realized that I needed to carefully watch my driving habits. Obviously, I didn't want to be a speed demon to attract the attention of local cops, many of whom were just kids when SSP Mustangs were used by the Delaware State Police. I also recognized that I did not want to be perceived as an imposter by the police or other drivers. But I hadn't given ANY thought to the need to watch out for bad guys who might mistake me for a police officer. So now I'm careful about driving my car because of those factors.
I bring this up because I've come to realize that ALL of us in the SSP hobby need to act responsibly when taking our cars out in public. It would be a shame if the careless act(s) of a few ruined the fun for the rest of us.
ImEvil1
03-25-2011, 02:54 PM
Mike - I just want to go on the record and say if I attended an event where people did the kinds of inappropriate and unsanctioned things you describe, I would be done and not further associate myself with them...period and end of story. I'm a professional in my work and personal life and don't have tolerance for that sort of thing.
Plenty of folks have been in this hobby longer than I have and experienced different sorts of things over the years...many of which have been documented. Some have had occassion to run unsavory people off from events, forums, etc. Relatively speaking I'm a newbee but in a few years have worked hard to contribute in as valuable and professional a manner as possible. I'm a pretty good judge of character and come from the Show-Me state. The past is important and helpful to know and it can be an indicator the future. But I don't live by the past or exclusively on experiences of others...rather I try and supplement those by using my own eyes and ears to see and hear for myself.
We have a delicate hobby and I take it very seriously. People I have met in person from the SSP hobby seem to take it seriously as well. I enjoy socializing with others who enjoy the hobby, seeing the various cars (the diamonds in the rough too), and the camaraderie that comes with it. This hobby seems to have quite an interesting history and I do respect your opinion. I'll continue to move forward, enjoy participating in the hobby, while at the same time keep my eyes and ears open and my "antenna" up from a professionalism standpoint.
Mike, great comments, and I applaud not only your efforts, but your professionalism while doing so. While I've never met you in person, I think you can tell a great deal about someone by what and how they write (how they "carry" themselves, per se). I've always been impressed with your dedication to your cars, and this hobby.
I didn't attend any events where I witnessed the conduct I described firsthand, but I didn't have to. It was publicly posted about, commented on, and encouraged. Some of those posts have since been removed, some you can still find. PM me if you need more on that.
By all means....use your own judgment and make your own conclusions (that's what I do). I posted what I did originally to assist people, like yourself, who may not have known.
It's no different, for the unsuspecting, than a hazard ahead sign on the side of the road. My .02.
ImEvil1
03-25-2011, 03:00 PM
Mike, you bring up an interesting point. When I bought my SSP I never gave any thought to the responsibility involved with owning an old police car. Granted, my car is unmarked, but the antennea and lights (covered) still make my SSP identifiable as an old police car. Once the car was painted and outfitted, I quickly realized that I needed to watch my driving habits. Obviously, I didn't want to be a speed demon to attract the attention of local cops, many of whom were just kids when SSP Mustangs were used by the Delaware State Police. I also recognized that I did not want to be perceived as an imposter by the police or other drivers. But I hadn't given ANY thought to the need to watch out for bad guys who might mistake me for a police officer. So now I'm careful about driving my car because of those factors.
I bring this up because I've come to realize that ALL of us in the SSP hobby need to act responsibly when taking our cars out in public. It would be a shame if the careless act(s) of a few ruined the fun for the rest of us.
Well said, and kudos to you as well. Many people in the hobby, who don't carry a gun and a badge (and have had some sort of training) don't realize that driving around in one of these cars can be dangerous. I don't have one finished yet, but I'd feel a little foolish driving around in a marked vehicle decked out for an agency that I don't work for anyway. I realize that not everyone can afford to trailer cars to events, but we are way overdue for some type of unfortunate incident to occur. I hope it never happens.
MOstang
03-25-2011, 03:48 PM
Mike - Thanks for the comments above. I appreciate your willingness to share your input professionally as well. Hopefully we'll meet in person one of these days.
28HopUp
03-25-2011, 04:18 PM
Thanks Mike!
I don't have one finished yet, but I'd feel a little foolish driving around in a marked vehicle decked out for an agency that I don't work for anyway. I realize that not everyone can afford to trailer cars to events, but we are way overdue for some type of unfortunate incident to occur. I hope it never happens.
Well, why don't you concentrate on one of your SSP's and get her finished up?!?! :D
ImEvil1
03-25-2011, 04:53 PM
Thanks Mike!
Well, why don't you concentrate on one of your SSP's and get her finished up?!?! :D
Bill,
Good question! There are a few reasons. One of them is actually some of the very issues we are talking about in this thread. It's embarassing to see some of what has been going on, and I really don't want to be associated with those aspects of the hobby. I think we are moving in the right direction here, and I recently had a conversation with another member about getting one finished and making some shows.
Another reason is that I have 2 Harleys sitting in the garage and I'm currently in the process of building up one, a 2011 FLHTP. Here's a pic of the VRod (I'm done with the mods to it).
ImEvil1
03-25-2011, 04:56 PM
Here's the police 'Glide. All the lights are coming off as soon as I can get FLHX turn signals and the FLHX rear fender mounted.
NoDrama43
03-25-2011, 10:06 PM
Gas in KCMO today is $3.27 to $3.29 gal.
Light show.
Since I won that event last year I had to ask why. The 3 Indiana Troopers based their judging on " Officer Safety". My FHP 381 is original with the FHP Blue lights.
We had 48 vintage Police Cars registered, 12 SSP showed up, most all were ORG. members. There is a push this year by Copcamaro to get 6 to 7 B4C in one location.
The Org members have no problem in getting to gether, enjoying the cars and friendship, promoting the SSP. Yes Net member are invited to PCOOA and might injoy some of the Org members.
Motor Escort was done to get 48 cars througth traffic. No lights & no sirens from the 48. It does not take much to screw traffic up.
I would welcome Net members to PCOOA. You have a MCA show in Dallas in two weeks. 6 Org SSP Members coming from all over the US. I notice that Net has several members in Texas & Dallas, I look forward to seeing you there. Those 12 SSP members enjoying friendship, getting together and showing the cars.
PCOOA is in my backyard this year. I look forward to those Org members who are coming and would welcome the Net members to the event. Somehow we want to trash an event that has not even happened.
Diesel here is 3.85 a gallon. I don't drive marked SSP cars to shows 16 hours away. I have no desire to spend the money it would take to drive to Dallas. If I was driving out I would go to Roman's show instead.
I don't like light shows because I have been present and personally embarrassed by the conduct of *certain* ssp owners at car shows, parking lot gatherings, and the subsequent publishing of the events on the internet.
The article I read stated "approximately 30" show vehicles. It doesn't matter if it was 48 or 480 to me.
The social networking aspect of .org is of absolutely no importance to me. I simply choose not to associate with *certain* members there as I feel their actions, comments, reputation, and philosophy regarding these cars, is in direct conflict with my own. If they all get together and have a good time with each other I think that is good for them. If their "getting together and having a good time" includes engaging in conduct that makes cop car owners look like idiots, then I dissaprove. It only takes one time. Sadly there have been several.
I won't be in Dallas. I would rather spend the weekend working on cars in my barn than trailering one 1000 miles one way to a show. For those that do go I hope you enjoy the show.
I AM a motor officer. I am intimately involved on a daily basis with the movement of traffic. My agency would not consider for one moment escorting a parade of privately owned police cars through traffic. There is no legal rationale and all it does is anger other motorists who don't understand why YOU think YOU should be given special treatment. (This relates back to the philisophical differences I have with other owners of restored police cars.) The only time I agree with the use of lights and siren by private owners is during a controlled sanctioned parade, managed, facilitated and coordinated by local law enforcement.
I disagree with several aspects of the philosophy practiced by *certain* members of the .org website. My perspective is molded by my background in law enforcement and my knowledge of the public perception of the police profession. Simply put.....I would rather stay home than be embarrassed and associated with *certain* owners. It isn't everyone.....just the select few that ruin it for everyone.
I am glad the PCOOA show is an event you are attending and looking forward to. Like I said in my previous post I hope it is an enjoyable time for all who attend.
copcamaro
03-26-2011, 04:28 PM
Jim,
No one here is trying to trash the event, but we are very careful about who we hang out with and how the SSP hobby is "promoted". Light shows, videos of staged pursuits, Mustangs with LED e-lighting on them, people parking in circles in parking lots (drinking) with lights flashing while drawing chalk outlines of bodies are all things that are not what I'd consider positive promotions of the hobby. If you know the PCOOA history and choose to hang out with them, good for you. If you know the history of how some members from ORG act at car shows and hang out with them, again, good for you. Personally, I choose not to associate myself or the hobby with some of the types of people that you do. I also choose not to go to car shows with guys who are driving "restored" 2000-ish Crown Vics around. It's my personal choice, just as it is yours, and I'm apparently not alone. Many others here on NET and elsewhere feel the same way.
That's all. It's not a NET v/s ORG thing, as there are good members of both.
BTW....I'm not sure which car is yours, but I didn't see any FHP cars in the video that Mike posted last year that were original with respect to the lighting.
I have been a member of this PCOOA club for 20 years, really proud of my association with Mr. Jim Post, and have NEVER seen anyone driving in circles in parking lots, or any where else drinking!
I know that Jim would definately NOT allow this.
I have seen (unlike some of your other posters) Jim boot out members for things that did not promote our hobby, and show it in it's best light.
Jim was a Police Sgt in KCMO and I am darn sure he knows what should and should not be done!
As far as the light shows they are done on private parking lots (not on the streets).
Only time the lights and sirens are allowed are when sanctioned by and asked us to do by local Police Depts.
These I know, from personal experience (NOT HEAR SAY)
I would think you L.E.O.'s would, or should know what hear say can do to a case in court! It's gone.
I am also amazed at how some of the posters on this sight trash other members for incorrect eq, decals, lights etc.
Isn't this supposed to be a fun thing?
Some of us don't have bundles of $ too spend on correct eq. and have to make due.
Come on guys come to the KCMO show and see for yourselves, the PCOOA is a GREAT bunch of folks doing our Hobby thing LAWFULLY.
ImEvil1
03-26-2011, 04:45 PM
I have been a member of this PCOOA club for 20 years, really proud of my association with Mr. Jim Post, and have NEVER seen anyone driving in circles in parking lots, or any where else drinking!
I know that Jim would definately NOT allow this.
I have seen (unlike some of your other posters) Jim boot out members for things that did not promote our hobby, and show it in it's best light.
Jim was a Police Sgt in KCMO and I am darn sure he knows what should and should not be done!
As far as the light shows they are done on private parking lots (not on the streets).
Only time the lights and sirens are allowed are when sanctioned by and asked us to do by local Police Depts.
These I know, from personal experience (NOT HEAR SAY)
I would think you L.E.O.'s would, or should know what hear say can do to a case in court! It's gone.
I am also amazed at how some of the posters on this sight trash other members for incorrect eq, decals, lights etc.
Isn't this supposed to be a fun thing?
Some of us don't have bundles of $ too spend on correct eq. and have to make due.
Come on guys come to the KCMO show and see for yourselves, the PCOOA is a GREAT bunch of folks doing our Hobby thing LAWFULLY.
Ray,
It's not hearsay when I've seen pictures of it, or Jim Y. (who is also an LEO) saw it firsthand.
As for "trashing" people with incorrect equipment, if pointing out that something is incorrect, after the OP says it is correct, is "trashing" them, then we can agree to disagree. This hobby is about respecting the cars, respecting the "privilege" of being able to own one, and preserving the history of them. Slapping equipment into a car just so it's functional doesn't cut it here. The equipment is out there, and is affordable enough to many; especially when the greedy ($$$) dealers and flippers don't get their hands on it. They don't operate on this website.
Everyone has their own opinion about light shows and parades. If someone wants to play with emergency equipment and thinks that's neat, so be it. The fact is, the ONLY time lights and sirens are AUTHORIZED is when a real LE officer is using them to respond to an emergency or to conduct a traffic stop. General citizens (including off-duty, out-of-state LEOs) sitting around in a parking lot doesn't qualify. It's also a semi-public place, since the general public has access to it. If an officer says it's OK, it's because the officer is not going to enforce it, not because the law, in most cases, is not in effect.
NoDrama43
03-26-2011, 06:30 PM
I have been a member of this PCOOA club for 20 years, really proud of my association with Mr. Jim Post, and have NEVER seen anyone driving in circles in parking lots, or any where else drinking!
I know that Jim would definately NOT allow this.
I have seen (unlike some of your other posters) Jim boot out members for things that did not promote our hobby, and show it in it's best light.
Jim was a Police Sgt in KCMO and I am darn sure he knows what should and should not be done!
As far as the light shows they are done on private parking lots (not on the streets).
Only time the lights and sirens are allowed are when sanctioned by and asked us to do by local Police Depts.
These I know, from personal experience (NOT HEAR SAY)
I would think you L.E.O.'s would, or should know what hear say can do to a case in court! It's gone.
I am also amazed at how some of the posters on this sight trash other members for incorrect eq, decals, lights etc.
Isn't this supposed to be a fun thing?
Some of us don't have bundles of $ too spend on correct eq. and have to make due.
Come on guys come to the KCMO show and see for yourselves, the PCOOA is a GREAT bunch of folks doing our Hobby thing LAWFULLY.
Ray,
Attached is my previous post from the thread. I thought I would break it down for you and everyone else so there is no confusion as to my focus.
Diesel here is 3.85 a gallon. I don't drive marked SSP cars to shows 16 hours away. I have no desire to spend the money it would take to drive to Dallas. If I was driving out I would go to Roman's show instead.
This has nothing to do with the PCOOA show or Jim Post, just my stating which show I would attend if I went to Texas. I would rather see and hang out with Roman instead of going to Dallas.
I don't like light shows because I have been present and personally embarrassed by the conduct of *certain* ssp owners at car shows, parking lot gatherings, and the subsequent publishing of the events on the internet.
This is not hearsay. If you would like to see the pictures of these special moments when they were happening let me know. I can provide them. Additionally this statement does not refer to Jim Post or the PCOOA in any manner.
The article I read stated "approximately 30" show vehicles. It doesn't matter if it was 48 or 480 to me.
Earlier in this thread a member who was present at this show posted the show field was split 50/50 with 12 SSP cars in attendence. 12 + 12 = 24 not 48. Which "hearsay" should we believe? In reality it doesn't matter. There wasn't enough cars there to warrant my attendence. This is just my thoughts, not an indictment of the shows worth, enjoyment factor, or qualifications of the show sponsor.
The social networking aspect of .org is of absolutely no importance to me. I simply choose not to associate with *certain* members there as I feel their actions, comments, reputation, and philosophy regarding these cars, is in direct conflict with my own. If they all get together and have a good time with each other I think that is good for them. If their "getting together and having a good time" includes engaging in conduct that makes cop car owners look like idiots, then I dissaprove. It only takes one time. Sadly there have been several.
More conduct personally witnessed, not hearsay and has nothing to do with the PCOOA or Jim Post.
I won't be in Dallas. I would rather spend the weekend working on cars in my barn than trailering one 1000 miles one way to a show. For those that do go I hope you enjoy the show.
Nothing to do with Jim Post and PCOOA here. My thoughts on driving to Texas as covered earlier.
I AM a motor officer. I am intimately involved on a daily basis with the movement of traffic. My agency would not consider for one moment escorting a parade of privately owned police cars through traffic. There is no legal rationale and all it does is anger other motorists who don't understand why YOU think YOU should be given special treatment. (This relates back to the philisophical differences I have with other owners of restored police cars.) The only time I agree with the use of lights and siren by private owners is during a controlled sanctioned parade, managed, facilitated and coordinated by local law enforcement.
Based upon your description of the "light show" it meets my criteria and is in agreement with my thoughts about being sanctioned by local LE.
I disagree with several aspects of the philosophy practiced by *certain* members of the .org website. My perspective is molded by my background in law enforcement and my knowledge of the public perception of the police profession. Simply put.....I would rather stay home than be embarrassed and associated with *certain* owners. It isn't everyone.....just the select few that ruin it for everyone.
Again this has no reference to Jim Post or the PCOOA. This is specifically referring to that small select group of individuals that drive old cop cars and conduct themselves in a manner that brings disrepect to our hobby and the law enforcement profession. We ALL know who they are. This is no suprise to anyone.
I am glad the PCOOA show is an event you are attending and looking forward to. Like I said in my previous post I hope it is an enjoyable time for all who attend.
I spent some time reading the post reference this event on .org today. I have not been on the site in months but I chose to go to help myself get a better understanding about the event. I see where you and and another member have been looking forward to this show for some months now and you excitement about the upcoming show is obvious. I personally hope you attend and have a great time and I have posted as much several times now. I don't want you to think I am "trashing" the event simply because I don't share your zeal to attend.
In regards to equipment being incorrect I have a simple response. If a person puts out information about the equipment in an SSP car being correct and it in fact is not, we will comment about it. We try very hard to ensure accuracy here to the best of our abilities. It isn't about the person themselves, or the amount of money they do or don't spend. It is about us wanting to have a web-site that is as factually correct as possible. Nothing more than that.
I hope you enjoy the show in KCMO. Be sure and take lots of pictures so we can attend from afar.
copcamaro
03-26-2011, 06:55 PM
Colo. 2005 we were escorted by the CSP w/2 bikes and 2 Fully marked cars. This was sanctioned by the CSP.
Colo. 75th last year, said no lights or sirens!! We ALL complied, they were more than corduial to us and escorted us w/2 car, up to Blackhawk.
Indiana several years back (last one I attended) was sanctioned by ISP and Indianapolis PD. Fullyl escorted, they, ISP even shut down Interstate. They appreciated us coming and showing the cars. If the had a problem with the club they sure as the devil wouldn't of invited us back 3 years running.
Show me one car that one of the folks on the board thinks is perfect, and I would bet I or someone with greater knowledge can find something not exactly right.
I have seen a lot of cars and shows in my 20 years, seen really nice cars, but never a absolutely perfect one.
I was in L.E for a few years, but of course a small rural Mo. sheriffs dept.. Believe it or not we did the same job as the larger Dept. with a whole lot less money. We drove cars that were not police pkgs but were official.
I bought retired Mo. State SSP's as the retired them with 50 k miles.
ImEvil1
03-26-2011, 07:21 PM
Colo. 2005 we were escorted by the CSP w/2 bikes and 2 Fully marked cars. This was sanctioned by the CSP.
Colo. 75th last year, said no lights or sirens!! We ALL complied, they were more than corduial to us and escorted us w/2 car, up to Blackhawk.
Indiana several years back (last one I attended) was sanctioned by ISP and Indianapolis PD. Fullyl escorted, they, ISP even shut down Interstate. They appreciated us coming and showing the cars. If the had a problem with the club they sure as the devil wouldn't of invited us back 3 years running.
Show me one car that one of the folks on the board thinks is perfect, and I would bet I or someone with greater knowledge can find something not exactly right.
I have seen a lot of cars and shows in my 20 years, seen really nice cars, but never a absolutely perfect one.
I was in L.E for a few years, but of course a small rural Mo. sheriffs dept.. Believe it or not we did the same job as the larger Dept. with a whole lot less money. We drove cars that were not police pkgs but were official.
I bought retired Mo. State SSP's as the retired them with 50 k miles.
Ray,
The CSP anniversary shows were sponsored by the Patrol, not the PCOOA.
50 year old police cars should not have wig-wag headlights.
The PCOOA claims affiliation with Copcar.com on their website, yet admin @ CC.com refute this. Do you know why?
Bottom line: feel free to do whatever you choose. You registered here today, not before, to talk up the PCOOA. Don't be offended if others here disagree with your opinion of that group, or any others being discussed.
We are very clear here on what our mission statement is and what we're all about. If it's not what you like or care to be a part of, feel free to opt out.
copcamaro
03-26-2011, 07:21 PM
Ray,
Attached is my previous post from the thread. I thought I would break it down for you and everyone else so there is no confusion as to my focus.
Diesel here is 3.85 a gallon. I don't drive marked SSP cars to shows 16 hours away. I have no desire to spend the money it would take to drive to Dallas. If I was driving out I would go to Roman's show instead.
This has nothing to do with the PCOOA show or Jim Post, just my stating which show I would attend if I went to Texas. I would rather see and hang out with Roman instead of going to Dallas.
I don't like light shows because I have been present and personally embarrassed by the conduct of *certain* ssp owners at car shows, parking lot gatherings, and the subsequent publishing of the events on the internet.
This is not hearsay. If you would like to see the pictures of these special moments when they were happening let me know. I can provide them. Additionally this statement does not refer to Jim Post or the PCOOA in any manner.
The article I read stated "approximately 30" show vehicles. It doesn't matter if it was 48 or 480 to me.
Earlier in this thread a member who was present at this show posted the show field was split 50/50 with 12 SSP cars in attendence. 12 + 12 = 24 not 48. Which "hearsay" should we believe? In reality it doesn't matter. There wasn't enough cars there to warrant my attendence. This is just my thoughts, not an indictment of the shows worth, enjoyment factor, or qualifications of the show sponsor.
The social networking aspect of .org is of absolutely no importance to me. I simply choose not to associate with *certain* members there as I feel their actions, comments, reputation, and philosophy regarding these cars, is in direct conflict with my own. If they all get together and have a good time with each other I think that is good for them. If their "getting together and having a good time" includes engaging in conduct that makes cop car owners look like idiots, then I dissaprove. It only takes one time. Sadly there have been several.
More conduct personally witnessed, not hearsay and has nothing to do with the PCOOA or Jim Post.
I won't be in Dallas. I would rather spend the weekend working on cars in my barn than trailering one 1000 miles one way to a show. For those that do go I hope you enjoy the show.
Nothing to do with Jim Post and PCOOA here. My thoughts on driving to Texas as covered earlier.
I AM a motor officer. I am intimately involved on a daily basis with the movement of traffic. My agency would not consider for one moment escorting a parade of privately owned police cars through traffic. There is no legal rationale and all it does is anger other motorists who don't understand why YOU think YOU should be given special treatment. (This relates back to the philisophical differences I have with other owners of restored police cars.) The only time I agree with the use of lights and siren by private owners is during a controlled sanctioned parade, managed, facilitated and coordinated by local law enforcement.
Based upon your description of the "light show" it meets my criteria and is in agreement with my thoughts about being sanctioned by local LE.
I disagree with several aspects of the philosophy practiced by *certain* members of the .org website. My perspective is molded by my background in law enforcement and my knowledge of the public perception of the police profession. Simply put.....I would rather stay home than be embarrassed and associated with *certain* owners. It isn't everyone.....just the select few that ruin it for everyone.
Again this has no reference to Jim Post or the PCOOA. This is specifically referring to that small select group of individuals that drive old cop cars and conduct themselves in a manner that brings disrepect to our hobby and the law enforcement profession. We ALL know who they are. This is no suprise to anyone.
I am glad the PCOOA show is an event you are attending and looking forward to. Like I said in my previous post I hope it is an enjoyable time for all who attend.
I spent some time reading the post reference this event on .org today. I have not been on the site in months but I chose to go to help myself get a better understanding about the event. I see where you and and another member have been looking forward to this show for some months now and you excitement about the upcoming show is obvious. I personally hope you attend and have a great time and I have posted as much several times now. I don't want you to think I am "trashing" the event simply because I don't share your zeal to attend.
In regards to equipment being incorrect I have a simple response. If a person puts out information about the equipment in an SSP car being correct and it in fact is not, we will comment about it. We try very hard to ensure accuracy here to the best of our abilities. It isn't about the person themselves, or the amount of money they do or don't spend. It is about us wanting to have a web-site that is as factually correct as possible. Nothing more than that.
I hope you enjoy the show in KCMO. Be sure and take lots of pictures so we can attend from afar.
Jim:
As you stated in your 5th paragraph above, you would gladly send me pictures of those bad things that went on at a, or some shows, mentioned in previous statements.
I would very much appreciate your doing this.
If need be, you can just e-mail them to me at copcamaro@yahoo.com if it would save embarassment to someone.
Thanks from me!!
copcamaro
03-26-2011, 08:05 PM
Ray,
I want to make sure you understand I am NOT referring to the PCOOA when I talk about the embarrassing scenarios played out across america by others. I have a complete library of photos saved and here are just a few. Hotel parking lot, off show grounds, at night in this first one.
I do appreciate your taking time to show this one, although I really do't see anything degrading about this one. Just my $.02 worth
If you would send more to my pre mentioned address and maybe i can find something that validates the claims!
"Thanks again"
NoDrama43
03-26-2011, 08:11 PM
I do appreciate your taking time to show this one, although I really do't see anything degrading about this one. Just my $.02 worth
If you would send more to my pre mentioned address and maybe i can find something that validates the claims!
"Thanks again"
I would tell you to surf .org because they were all posted there but I have been told they were all removed from public viewing? I wonder why they were removed??
I think it is obvious.....to us all.
If you prescribe to the hotel parking lot, beer drinking, chalk outlining philosophy regarding these cars then you came to the wrong place. Nobody here agrees with that kind of foolishness. That is just the way it is here.
NoDrama43
03-26-2011, 08:19 PM
check them out while you can.....I will be removing the pictures as they don't need to be displayed in public for everyone to see or remember......
So this looks to be like trouble here but here's what I know:
1. Copcar.com has an affiliate website of pcooa.com which is called the "police car on-line owner's association" which is not Police Car Owners of America. I'm a member of the pcooa.com group again, not PCOoA. Jim Post still has never sent my PCOOA application from 1999 as he had promised in two telephone conversations.
2. Jim Post has had a checkered past with the PCOoA organization and he's been less than welcomed at Copcar.com's site due to many issues that have been addressed with the site owner of CCdC and the reason the site owner has taken the pcooa.com web address. Many collectors at CCdC have taken refuge from the EVOOA, Historical Police Honor Guard and the PCOOA due to many mis-fires in their shows and practices.
3. I get concerned when there is a parking lot light show unless it's an actual sanctioned cruise in or sanctioned show (ie Chicagoland weekend in N. Aurora, IL). This is a highly illegal hobby in the grand scheme of things and should be addressed with great caution when operating one of these vehicles. The newness of the Mustangs also give a bad image to the hobby just for being newer than 25 years in some cases (even though that's changing rapidly - 2013 and 1988 is 25 years old!). Fortunately, I drive a 1978 lime green police car to shows and it's not as apparent that it's a police car at times but I still respect the ride by covering up my markings and lighting.
Again, just adding information as I've been with this hobby since 1996.
NoDrama43
03-26-2011, 08:51 PM
Thanks for your input. It is greatly appreciated.
There are a few individuals in our hobby that believe simply because they own the car they can sit in a parking lot with their emergency lights flashing, while they sit around in lawn chairs and drink alcoholic beverages. In the past this has been done because they seek attention, and believe they are somehow privileged to do so simply because the car is "retired" or "not in service". They do not take into consideration that the public is watching, and formulating an opinion as to this activity. The big thing they miss is the fact that when they prescribe to this activity it reflects upon all cop car owners and the law enforcement community. Due to an increasing number of individuals raising a fuss this behavior has subsided to a degree. There used to be dozens of photographs posted on the internet but almost all have been removed which is good.
I hope the day will come when everyone, especially the owners of SSP mustangs, will conduct themselves in an appropriate manner when in the view of the public.
I agree with the statement about parades and sanctioned events. I have attended and participated in a few myself, and I bought my first SSP in 1996 also.
ImEvil1
03-26-2011, 09:03 PM
So this looks to be like trouble here but here's what I know:
1. Copcar.com has an affiliate website of pcooa.com which is called the "police car on-line owner's association" which is not Police Car Owners of America. I'm a member of the pcooa.com group again, not PCOoA. Jim Post still has never sent my PCOOA application from 1999 as he had promised in two telephone conversations.
2. Jim Post has had a checkered past with the PCOoA organization and he's been less than welcomed at Copcar.com's site due to many issues that have been addressed with the site owner of CCdC and the reason the site owner has taken the pcooa.com web address. Many collectors at CCdC have taken refuge from the EVOOA, Historical Police Honor Guard and the PCOOA due to many mis-fires in their shows and practices.
3. I get concerned when there is a parking lot light show unless it's an actual sanctioned cruise in or sanctioned show (ie Chicagoland weekend in N. Aurora, IL). This is a highly illegal hobby in the grand scheme of things and should be addressed with great caution when operating one of these vehicles. The newness of the Mustangs also give a bad image to the hobby just for being newer than 25 years in some cases (even though that's changing rapidly - 2013 and 1988 is 25 years old!). Fortunately, I drive a 1978 lime green police car to shows and it's not as apparent that it's a police car at times but I still respect the ride by covering up my markings and lighting.
Again, just adding information as I've been with this hobby since 1996.
GSPI,
Thanks and I appreciate your unbiased input (from someone who has been there, seen it, and didn't just register here today).
I do appreciate your taking time to show this one, although I really do't see anything degrading about this one. Just my $.02 worth
If you would send more to my pre mentioned address and maybe i can find something that validates the claims!
"Thanks again"
The claims have been validated many times over, at least with respect to the parking lot shows. Again, this doesn't specifically relate to the PCOOA, but to conduct, in general, at "shows".
Please take any further comments about this to PMs.
http://i52.tinypic.com/14e49ci.jpg
mustangretriever
03-28-2011, 03:28 PM
I didn't get to see all this til today, so since everyone else gets to participate I will to. :-)
I'm not a big fan of most police car shows because I think they tend to bring out an element of "cop wanna be's". The only cop car show I've ever taken my SSP to was the PCOOA show in Jeffereson City, MO in 2009 because it was hosted with the MO State Troopers Association. There were only a couple people at that show who I considered wanna-bes and they were kept in check and did not embarrass anyone that I know of. I had fun, the show was well-supported by the MO Highway Patrol and the Jeff City Police. As far as Jim Post, I've always found him to be a fair guy to deal with. I sold him a Mustang SSP a couple years ago and it was a good experience. I can't speak for other people's dealings with him, but I found him to be honest. These are just my own factual experiences!
NoDrama43
03-28-2011, 07:16 PM
Eric,
thanks for the input. This thread got bushwacked and tried to be made into some sort of agenda about Post which it never was in the first place. What started out as a conversation about low turnout numbers at Indy turned into a debate about wanna be light shows and parades etc.
glad to hear Post doesn't tolerate it either. Hopefully everyone will give up that silly nonsense some day.
ImEvil1
03-28-2011, 07:37 PM
I didn't get to see all this til today, so since everyone else gets to participate I will to. :-)
I'm not a big fan of most police car shows because I think they tend to bring out an element of "cop wanna be's". The only cop car show I've ever taken my SSP to was the PCOOA show in Jeffereson City, MO in 2009 because it was hosted with the MO State Troopers Association. There were only a couple people at that show who I considered wanna-bes and they were kept in check and did not embarrass anyone that I know of. I had fun, the show was well-supported by the MO Highway Patrol and the Jeff City Police. As far as Jim Post, I've always found him to be a fair guy to deal with. I sold him a Mustang SSP a couple years ago and it was a good experience. I can't speak for other people's dealings with him, but I found him to be honest. These are just my own factual experiences!
Amen. Would these be the guys who constantly play with the lights and sirens in their cars because they can??
Eric,
thanks for the input. This thread got bushwacked and tried to be made into some sort of agenda about Post which it never was in the first place. What started out as a conversation about low turnout numbers at Indy turned into a debate about wanna be light shows and parades etc.
glad to here Post doesn't tolerate it either. Hopefully everyone will give up that silly nonsense some day.
I'm the one who first brought up the issues with the PCOOA, since I'm aware of the negative implications associated with the group. Your comments about the light parade are right in-line with my beliefs. It wasn't an attack on the founder, but it's info that needs to be discussed, and not blindly promoted here.
I think that about covers it.
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