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EXNODRAMANOTCH
08-14-2011, 11:47 PM
My MN SSP is being considered for a Muscle Car Review feature article and I would like to have the car as accurate as possible for the photo shoot. I measured the distance between the original screw holes in the windshield trim panel for the mounting brackets and rear package tray, and the original lights appear to have been very close to 9" in length (a little less). After looking at a photo taken by a previous owner (before Mike P.), I see there are only one set of screw holes from mounting brackets (less than 9" apart). I don't believe my MN SSP ever had triple stick lights (front and rear) while in service. I need to find a new metal headliner front panel (too many screw holes) in regatta blue and a pair of dual halogen 8" x 2" lights (both lenses red). I also looked on the rear package tray and found the original mounting holes for mounting a dual light stick (less than 9" apart). Jim Y. I think you had asked me (about a month ago) if I was interested in some you had (I am now). If anyone is interested in the next to new Sho-Me triple stick LED lights that I will be removing, PLMK. Thanks!
link to photo (#33): http://www.specialservicemustang.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3356&page=4

MOstang
08-15-2011, 07:33 AM
I don't believe my MN SSP ever had triple stick lights (front and rear) while in service.
While we all know variations were common, my understanding is MN installed triple red lights (supposedly the same light both front and rear) from a now defunct company (out of Michigan if memory serves me correct). I'm not aware of any closeup pics on what they look like, but that would be the key to trying pinning down the eact look/dimensions/etc.

GSPI
08-15-2011, 08:02 AM
Sound-Off is the group that bought out the old Approved Technologies from Hudsonville, MI. Sound-Off also looks like they discontinued those halogen lights since we talked about them and I'd suggest getting a hold of Sound-Off directly to see if they still have some lights out there available as the discussion was only about 3 months ago.

EXNODRAMANOTCH
08-15-2011, 08:12 AM
While we all know variations were common, my understanding is MN installed triple red lights (supposedly the same light both front and rear) from a now defunct company (out of Michigan if memory serves me correct). I'm not aware of any closeup pics on what they look like, but that would be the key to trying pinning down the eact look/dimensions/etc.

Mike, the photo that Jody K. took of the headliner header panel (from your Fotki album) showing where the lights were attached, clearly shows bracket holes approximately 8"-9" apart, so I don't think the triple lights were used on this particular car (no holes present at the time of the photo at the 15" length mark). I know from your documentation that the MSP told you they remember using triple sticks on the SSPs, but the evidence does not support that for this SSP (I suppose it's possible that they could have switched out the metal trim panel when they switched from the triple stick lights to the shorter twin light and that would explain the lack of holes in the photo for a 15" long light). Also the gray SSP photo (from Maroon Cruisers site) where I found out where to mount the radar antenna above the windshield on the passenger side shows a twin halogen light about 8-9 inches in length (Jay S. thought that photo was taken in 1991). I'm not trying disparage your thorough documentation on the MN SSPs, but just trying to get my SSP to be as close to authentic as possible. Your hard work and vital contacts have been of great help in restoring this SSP to in-service specs.

EXNODRAMANOTCH
08-15-2011, 08:22 AM
Sound-Off is the group that bought out the old Approved Technologies from Hudsonville, MI. Sound-Off also looks like they discontinued those halogen lights since we talked about them and I'd suggest getting a hold of Sound-Off directly to see if they still have some lights out there available as the discussion was only about 3 months ago.

Thanks for the info, I will contact them today.

GSPI
08-16-2011, 08:15 AM
Any luck with Sound-Off?

NoDrama43
08-16-2011, 09:08 AM
Jim Y. I think you had asked me (about a month ago) if I was interested in some you had (I am now). link to photo (#33): http://www.specialservicemustang.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3356&page=4

I have an original red 5.0 light. Is that the light you are talking about? Or are you talking about the other Jim Y. ? (retired from OSP)

28HopUp
08-16-2011, 11:29 AM
Or are you talking about the other Jim Y. ?

Jim, do you mean there's TWO of you? OMGosh!!!

:D

EXNODRAMANOTCH
08-16-2011, 02:47 PM
I have an original red 5.0 light. Is that the light you are talking about? Or are you talking about the other Jim Y. ? (retired from OSP)


You are the correct Jim. Is that light about "8 x 2" and a self contained dual halogen (2 side by side, (2" x 4") with red lenses on each) in the same case with 2 brackets? Made by Applied Technologies out of Hudsonville, MI (now part of "Sound Off"). If so, PM what you need for it. Thanks,
Bob

See photo of gray MN SSP (entry #17) in this thread:
http://www.specialservicemustang.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3356&page=2

EXNODRAMANOTCH
08-16-2011, 02:52 PM
Any luck with Sound-Off?

Sound Off told me they have no more in inventory and they gave me the phone number of one of their distributors "StrobesN'More" and they had none. I found some online at "Siren Light .com", but they don't show any "red/red" option and they are not taking any orders from their web site (not online yet) and the 28 series says "coming soon" (but they are showing a discounted price of $66 each). I called their phone number and nobody answered. So I'm still looking.

EXNODRAMANOTCH
08-16-2011, 08:48 PM
I have an original red 5.0 light. Is that the light you are talking about? Or are you talking about the other Jim Y. ? (retired from OSP)

Jim, I went back through Mike Patterson's research papers and found that the original installer mentioned a Cunon Five-O rotating light as what was originally installed in the MN SSPs above the 3rd brake light and above the rear view mirror. Is that what you have?

NoDrama43
08-16-2011, 08:55 PM
yes that is the exact light I have. Hard to come across. I cannot imagine how it would have been installed above the rear view mirror though... It would be easy to velcro it to the top of the third brake light on the package tray. This one is red and works. It has a magnet on the bottom.

I can send you some pictures if you want.

EXNODRAMANOTCH
08-16-2011, 09:17 PM
yes that is the exact light I have. Hard to come across. I cannot imagine how it would have been installed above the rear view mirror though... It would be easy to velcro it to the top of the third brake light on the package tray. This one is red and works. It has a magnet on the bottom.

I can send you some pictures if you want.

Jim, is this it? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVImMB2Tz8E

I think this may have been the light they had trouble with before they switched to the dual dash-deck self contained 8" x 2" halogen red/red lights from Approved Technologies (since bought by Sound Off inc.) out of Hudsonville, MI. I don't see how the 5.0 light could be used above the rear view mirror either. I think I will try to find the dual halogens to replace the Sho-Me triple stick LEDs that are on the car now. Thanks for your help,
Bob

NoDrama43
08-16-2011, 09:25 PM
that is the exact light I have. I had to grease it to get it to work correctly but it flashes fine. It is definatly old school.

ImEvil1
08-16-2011, 10:07 PM
http://www.elightbars.org/f13/5-0-halogen-dash-light-2191/

Here is an NOS one for sale.

http://store.10-4warning.com/five0.html

EXNODRAMANOTCH
08-16-2011, 10:20 PM
http://www.elightbars.org/f13/5-0-halogen-dash-light-2191/

Here is an NOS one for sale.

http://store.10-4warning.com/five0.html

Thanks for the links. Do you think that is what is installed in the photo of the gray MN SSP above the rear view mirror?

GSPI
08-17-2011, 12:18 AM
I've done some of closeup evaluations in Photoshop CS4 and I'm coming up with a rectangle in the shot although the curvature of the windshield gives a slightly rounded oblong light effect to me like the 5-0 light but to me it's the rectangular light. So I can say that the back light is the rectangle halogen light for sure.

EXNODRAMANOTCH
08-17-2011, 09:16 AM
I've done some of closeup evaluations in Photoshop CS4 and I'm coming up with a rectangle in the shot although the curvature of the windshield gives a slightly rounded oblong light effect to me like the 5-0 light but to me it's the rectangular light. So I can say that the back light is the rectangle halogen light for sure.

I think you are right. As Jim said, I don't know how the 5.0 light would attach above the rear view mirror. I could set it on top of the radar unit whose top is about level with the bottom of the windshield (5.0 light has magnet on bottom that would stick to radar case). I think i'm going to go with rectangular front and rear (dual halogen, self contained, about 8" x 2" in size). Thanks for your help! Now to find a pair of the Sound Off inc. series 28 with twin red lenses (E28DBB).

MOstang
08-17-2011, 09:29 AM
Maybe if GSPI can email you the closeup he has looked at in his Photoshop you can email it to Sgt. Jay Sletten to see if he has any ideas. Better yet if their shop has one lying around somewhere not in use.

EXNODRAMANOTCH
08-17-2011, 03:17 PM
I got a call back this morning from the Midwest Regional Sales Manager for Sound-Off inc. and he is going to check their demo room when he gets back in the office tomorrow and see if he can get me a pair of the lights I need (he said they were discontinued 4 years ago). Wish me luck (I'm not holding my breath)!

GSPI
08-17-2011, 03:56 PM
Expect hope and pray for miracles. I have confidence that it will be found soon enough!

GSPI
08-17-2011, 04:04 PM
Almost forgot about this:

http://www.swps.com/code-rvm-series.html

Code 3 has a similar light if you do not have luck with getting the other unit.

EXNODRAMANOTCH
08-18-2011, 08:48 PM
I got a call back this morning from the Midwest Regional Sales Manager for Sound-Off inc. and he is going to check their demo room when he gets back in the office tomorrow and see if he can get me a pair of the lights I need (he said they were discontinued 4 years ago). Wish me luck (I'm not holding my breath)!

No go on the demos from Sound-Off. The rep checked today, and found none. He said he would have sent me a pair for FREE if he had found them. The search goes on. :banginghead:

OSP959(R)
09-24-2011, 09:16 AM
When I look at:

http://images59.fotki.com/v111/photos/1/1441862/7065902/198920Mustang20Grey-vi.jpg

I see this:

http://www.sspcentral.com/library/images/5-0_light.bmp

Look how there seems to be a gap between the red section and the ends where you can see between the light and the mirror.

Why couldn't the light been mounted to a bracket and then mounted to the metal trim? Maybe it had a light stick and replaced it for more flashes per second and they used the existing holes??

If you look at the blue car:

http://public.fotki.com/MOstang/various--special-se/minnesota-state-hig/in-service-photographs/mnssp.html

I think the red you see is a reflection of the red lense in the side reflecting mirror.

Not trying to cause you more grief, just trying to help.

EXNODRAMANOTCH
09-24-2011, 11:43 AM
No grief taken, I appreciated the help! There is only 2-1/4" of space between the top of the rear view mirror and headliner trim panel, so I don't see how that unit would fit. Even the current code 3 dual head halogens are 2.6" high, so they would not work either. I talked to the original installer and he said the Applied Technologies unit that they installed was a 3 head halogen unit and the overall size was less than 9" (which jives with the original screw holes). Before that they had originally installed the rotating unit (like in your photo), but they were problematic in the cold etc. (mechanical issues). I would like to get a halogen unit with at least 2 heads that is less than 9" long and 2" high max (need 1/4" space for the brackets and mirror clearance). At least a halogen unit would be period correct vs. the LEDS I have now. Thanks again for your help.
Bob

When I look at:

http://images59.fotki.com/v111/photos/1/1441862/7065902/198920Mustang20Grey-vi.jpg

I see this:

http://www.sspcentral.com/library/images/5-0_light.bmp

Look how there seems to be a gap between the red section and the ends where you can see between the light and the mirror.

Why couldn't the light been mounted to a bracket and then mounted to the metal trim? Maybe it had a light stick and replaced it for more flashes per second and they used the existing holes??

If you look at the blue car:

http://public.fotki.com/MOstang/various--special-se/minnesota-state-hig/in-service-photographs/mnssp.html

I think the red you see is a reflection of the red lense in the side reflecting mirror.

Not trying to cause you more grief, just trying to help.

OSP959(R)
09-25-2011, 12:30 AM
So, doing a little searching, I dug up this:

http://home.comcast.net/~sgtsletten/pwpimages/1997%20Ford%20B%20Logan%282%29.jpg

Definitely the 5-0 light.

Every slicktop I've been finding seems to have a revolving dash lights with round deck lights. But when you get in to the 90's, they seem to have long rectangular deck lights.

This guy has a red 5-0 light for sale for $50 (probably could offer less):

http://elightbars.org/f16/prices-adjusted-again-need-sell-stuff-5640/

I think it would be a good thing for a MSP restorer to snag up and hang on to.

EXNODRAMANOTCH
09-25-2011, 07:16 AM
You are right that MSP used the 5.0 Light, as I talked to Sgt. Sletten at a car show this summer. But they quickly swapped them out after the first winter in the SSPs. Thanks for the research and I an going to try to get the one on eLightbars.com too. I wondered if they used them on the rear package tray too?

So, doing a little searching, I dug up this:

http://home.comcast.net/~sgtsletten/pwpimages/1997%20Ford%20B%20Logan%282%29.jpg

Definitely the 5-0 light.

Every slicktop I've been finding seems to have a revolving dash lights with round deck lights. But when you get in to the 90's, they seem to have long rectangular deck lights.

This guy has a red 5-0 light for sale for $50 (probably could offer less):

http://elightbars.org/f16/prices-adjusted-again-need-sell-stuff-5640/

I think it would be a good thing for a MSP restorer to snag up and hang on to.

OSP959(R)
09-25-2011, 02:12 PM
When I look at this photo:

http://www.specialservicemustang.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3300&stc=1&d=1313066967

I see (3) sets of holes. From the bottom up, there's a set of 3, a set of 3, and a set of 2. The two sets of 3 look reversed and were probably the end brackets for the sound-off series-28 style light. The other 2 offset to the right of the mirror probably held the Five-O light. If you really look at the photo of the gray car, it looks like the Five-O light was offset a little to the right. Remeber, you're looking at it at an angle from the right.

EXNODRAMANOTCH
09-25-2011, 07:25 PM
I think you are right. The 5.0 light will be on it's way to me soon! Thanks again for your keen eye and help,
Bob

When I look at this photo:

http://www.specialservicemustang.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3300&stc=1&d=1313066967

I see (3) sets of holes. From the bottom up, there's a set of 3, a set of 3, and a set of 2. The two sets of 3 look reversed and were probably the end brackets for the sound-off series-28 style light. The other 2 offset to the right of the mirror probably held the Five-O light. If you really look at the photo of the gray car, it looks like the Five-O light was offset a little to the right. Remeber, you're looking at it at an angle from the right.

OSP959(R)
09-26-2011, 12:26 AM
No problem. The investigative part of the hobby is the funnest.

OSP959(R)
09-26-2011, 10:08 AM
What was the spacing between the mounting holes for the light in the back window?

OSP959(R)
09-26-2011, 11:51 AM
What was the spacing between the mounting holes for the light in the back window?

Never mind. Re-read it.

EXNODRAMANOTCH
10-24-2011, 09:54 PM
I've done some of closeup evaluations in Photoshop CS4 and I'm coming up with a rectangle in the shot although the curvature of the windshield gives a slightly rounded oblong light effect to me like the 5-0 light but to me it's the rectangular light. So I can say that the back light is the rectangle halogen light for sure.

From the photo of the gray SSP, do you think you could calculate the position of the door decal from the rear (or front edge of the door)? I have a decal coming in 6 weeks and want to get the positioning right the first time (don't want a $125 mistake). The distance from the top of the door molding to under the window trim is real close to 12.5", if that helps. Your help is greatly appreciated!

GSPI
10-25-2011, 12:27 AM
PM sent!!:thumbsup: