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...and so it begins... the mystery... the intrigue... the project has landed...
... look what showed up today...
http://images51.fotki.com/v103/photos/4/42477/2505011/DSC_1858-vi.jpg
http://images59.fotki.com/v684/photos/4/42477/2505011/DSC_1859-vi.jpg
http://images51.fotki.com/v102/photos/4/42477/2505011/DSC_1860-vi.jpg
http://images51.fotki.com/v628/photos/4/42477/2505011/DSC_1863-vi.jpg
...yeah I know... the tire is flat... needs a new one...
http://images15.fotki.com/v2/photos/4/42477/2505011/DSC_1864-vi.jpg
... a little cleanup and it should be good..
http://images59.fotki.com/v255/photos/4/42477/2505011/DSC_1866-vi.jpg
http://images54.fotki.com/v627/photos/4/42477/2505011/DSC_1867-vi.jpg
...and so begins another project for me!
http://images108.fotki.com/v360/photos/4/42477/2505011/DSC_1868-vi.jpg
Thanks to ChrisL for a wonderful starting point!:thumbsup:
...and a sneak peek at what else I got delivered on friday..
http://images54.fotki.com/v627/photos/4/42477/2505011/DSC_1857-vi.jpg
http://images57.fotki.com/v256/photos/4/42477/2505011/DSC_1849-vi.jpg
I figure I should throw this one in too...
http://images46.fotki.com/v1441/photos/4/42477/2505011/DSC_7292-vi.jpg
Now if I can get them all done by next show season...I must have lost my marbles.:cool:
badbrad
10-03-2011, 09:26 PM
love the colour, cant wait for the progress.
Thanks! It actually is supposed to be black with a white roof and should look something like this when it's done:
http://images54.fotki.com/v627/photos/4/42477/2505011/JL_Idaho_86_SSPM-vi.jpg
NoDrama43
10-03-2011, 09:39 PM
very nice....glad to see it made it ok !!
ImEvil1
10-03-2011, 09:57 PM
Congrats!
MOstang
10-04-2011, 08:01 AM
Congrats...will be fun to see that one returned to in-service specs.
28HopUp
10-04-2011, 08:37 AM
Greg, congrats on the new SSP!!! :D That'll be beautiful when you are done with it.
Thank you guys for the comments! I have been doing a considerable amount of research so far and found a few pertinent items for this car.
1. I found that the property tag was on this one at one point on the left side of the dash of the car. I need to do some more work with my CSI sirchie light to see if I can pull the numbers off of the dash.
2. I found the abrasion from the trunk lip mounted antenna on the rear window trim. I also was looking for an antenna mount on the roof of the car but I might be mistaken on that one as it's where the dome light frame work is at not the divot for the antenna. If that is the case, it looks like ISP used 150 mHz VHF frequencies not like the current UHF channels that they have now and as told to me by the fleet garage. Looks to be that the car would have been equipped with a beige colored casing GE Phoenix SX VHF radio (dark gray casing wasn't in production until after 1987) and the trunk lip mounted antenna with the GE microphone clip mounted on the driver's side of the shifter console. No signs of a CB radio mounted in there either confirming my suspicion of the VHF radio setup.
3. I found the divot on the transmission hump from the gun lock that is behind the front seats and in front of the back seat.
4. I found the mounting points for the roll bar that was in this car.
5. I found that this car had a fuel pump replaced in it and has a cutout in the trunk floor from ISP.
Parts I have so far:
1. Door hinge rebuild kit.
2. Trooper KR radar
3. Rear Deck lights (they were actually fog lamps with wig/wags in the circuit)
4. Unitrol control head
5. High beam wig/wag control for front lights
6. Wig/wag control for deck lights
7. Replacement exhaust with DynoMax turbo mufflers. (mac88chp, this is the news release as to where the exhaust is going on!)
8. Gun Lock
Parts I still need:
1. Unitrol 80 series Amplifier/Siren
2. Blue Whelen Responder with reflector (I'm chasing a few but if you got one speak up!)
3. Dash pad
4. Hood cable release assembly
5. Driver's seat upholstery
6. Carpet
7. Emblem kit (I found it new at FMR)
8. SSP Hubcaps
9. Spare SSP rim and tire
10. Trunk Mat
11. Tires!!
12. New battery cables
I'm sure that I'm missing stuff too but I'll keep working on my list of fixes. Get it rolling first so that we can get bodywork done and then go gangbusters on the rest!
Time to get to work! :thumbsup:
ChrisL
10-04-2011, 11:03 AM
Great to see this car finally in your hands Greg! Your detective work is incredible, and will really pay dividends once you start the restoration. I sure can't wait to see it all come back together!
ssp91ssp
10-04-2011, 11:06 AM
Congrats! Greg
Thats a great looking 86!
You may of mentioned already???? But is this the first SSP for ya? and may I say it won't be your last ! you are hooked my friend!;)
Congrats! Greg
Thats a great looking 86!
You may of mentioned already???? But is this the first SSP for ya? and may I say it won't be your last ! you are hooked my friend!;)
Thanks again and yes this is my first SSP. I've had an 88 Saleen (#218) for a short while many years ago. I was talking with ChrisL yesterday and was telling him what an adrenalin rush I got when the car was running. The exhaust tone makes you want to drive it, and its a copcar too! What more could you want right? I've built many police sedans but this is my first SSP. I wanted to give this a try with an unusual state agency too.
By the way, I also see that this car was in service for 10 years from my initial title search. Also, I've got Idaho SP trying to locate the correct group of trooper ID numbers (license plates) for this batch of cars.
Pretty exciting stuff to hunt down!
ssp91ssp
10-04-2011, 11:51 AM
Best of luck on the history hunt! the fun part.:D
mac88chp
10-04-2011, 01:33 PM
Great news, this should be a wonderful project for you...let the fun begin! :2thumbs:
Rhino
10-04-2011, 04:25 PM
Greg - congrats!! You finally got one!!
Enjoy. :D
Mustang Kid
10-04-2011, 04:45 PM
I love the long stripes on the IHP cars! Neat SSP too:2thumbs:
I'd like to find an early 80s (80, 81) IHP Gran Fury. They are neat cars.
OSP959(R)
10-05-2011, 11:24 AM
Greg!!!
I'm glad to see you finally got a SSP. With your background, I'm sure it's going to turn out fantastic!
Yours will be done before mine. I have a couple of vehicle projects ahead of it, and my 16 year old daughter is bugging me to buy her a car.
Can't wait to see the updates on your skunk patrol. (J/K)
Thanks Jim and the rest!
I look forward to getting this one done as it's a cool car! Skunk Patrol eh? Interesting... might make for a nickname maybe??
ChrisL
10-06-2011, 10:53 AM
Why isn't the car completely torn apart yet Greg? What are you waiting for? :D
Smart aleck...:headscratch:
OSP959(R)
10-06-2011, 11:56 PM
Ya Greg,
Shouldn't there be a primered car on the Spydar by now???
J/K
Rhino
10-06-2011, 11:58 PM
Yeah yeah....Spydar...that's the ticket.
Geez... I haven't even introduced the Spydar® MIS® system to this area here!?
The car was hooked and sent to get a usable tire and fluids changed. I want to make sure I have a reliable car available! That portion should be done as I get back from Michigan.
Did some digging around the car today...
http://images51.fotki.com/v303/photos/4/42477/2505011/DSC_1884-vi.jpg
http://images58.fotki.com/v156/photos/4/42477/2505011/DSC_1885-vi.jpg?1318107718
http://images58.fotki.com/v279/photos/4/42477/2505011/DSC_1887-vi.jpg
http://images9.fotki.com/v178/photos/4/42477/2505011/DSC_1888-vi.jpg
http://images108.fotki.com/v205/photos/4/42477/2505011/DSC_1889-vi.jpg
Could not find the roll bar mounting points for some reason!? Looks like the support was being removed too for some reason...
However did find the demarkation of the line for the white roof though...
http://images32.fotki.com/v1110/photos/4/42477/2505011/DSC_1877Mod-vi.jpg
Looked at the damage around the battery tray and have to say that it's battery acid...
http://images107.fotki.com/v71/photos/4/42477/2505011/DSC_1893-vi.jpg
Started looking for the build sheet too...
http://images51.fotki.com/v282/photos/4/42477/2505011/DSC_1896-vi.jpg
http://images15.fotki.com/v2/photos/4/42477/2505011/DSC_1897-vi.jpg
...marks from the trunk lip mounted antenna...
http://images51.fotki.com/v103/photos/4/42477/2505011/DSC_1908Mod-vi.jpg
.....found the catalytic recall so it's already been changed..
http://images51.fotki.com/v299/photos/4/42477/2505011/DSC_1921Mod-vi.jpg
more to come... just got to do some honey do's now...
Rhino
10-08-2011, 08:43 PM
If a Setina roll bar mount, you should have two to three holes from the lower mounts where the floor pan wells come up right in front of the lower part of the rear seat.
And they would have had L shaped brackets that would have gone over the seatbelt bolt up on the trim panel of the B pillar along with two screw holes such as this:
http://images24.fotki.com/v872/photos/4/732444/8682334/DigitalTransfer071407056-vi.jpg
ImEvil1
10-08-2011, 09:04 PM
Is that a partition bracket?
Rhino
10-08-2011, 10:04 PM
Is that a partition bracket?
It is. Shot when we mounted up my 87 with one. They used it both with the roll bars and the partitions.
Very cool information Ryan. I have to look more closely...
http://images108.fotki.com/v191/photos/4/42477/2505011/DSC_1883-vi.jpg
Nope, not there. I see no indication that this specific car had a roll bar in it.
Looks like the carpet was sprayed black too...
http://images58.fotki.com/v513/photos/4/42477/2505011/DSC_1886-vi.jpg?1318125093
I also have to wonder if the radio was mounted where the AM/FM radio should have been too?
http://images110.fotki.com/v1585/photos/4/42477/2505011/DSC_1901-vi.jpg
Demarkation on the passenger side was not as pronounced but is there...
http://images108.fotki.com/v191/photos/4/42477/2505011/DSC_1904-vi.jpg
Also found where it ran up over something too..
http://images58.fotki.com/v156/photos/4/42477/2505011/DSC_1939-vi.jpg
Now I have to figure if I can even use the exhaust system that is on it at all...
http://images57.fotki.com/v221/photos/4/42477/2505011/DSC_1941-vi.jpg
I do have another one though...
http://images58.fotki.com/v154/photos/4/42477/2505011/FoxExhaust001-vi.jpg
http://images44.fotki.com/v1448/photos/4/42477/2505011/FoxExhaust002-vi.jpg
http://images57.fotki.com/v81/photos/4/42477/2505011/FoxExhaust006-vi.jpg
Even have the catalytics too...
http://images51.fotki.com/v282/photos/4/42477/2505011/FoxExhaust007-vi.jpg
So what say you? Should I go with "offroad" or not?? :headscratch:
... oh yeah, forgot to mention it... It's getting worked on mechanically right now...
http://images59.fotki.com/v683/photos/4/42477/2505011/DSC_1949-vi.jpg
Exhaust will be put on and a temporary tire to get the car to roll around for now. New tires will be on it after the paint and body work get done...
More research...
http://images57.fotki.com/v80/photos/4/42477/2505011/img041MOD2-vi.jpg
No roll bar apparent in this car... and it has mudflaps too. Makes me wonder...:headscratch:
Mustang Kid
10-09-2011, 12:29 AM
So what say you? Should I go with "offroad" or not?? :headscratch:
I say factory exhaust. Just looks better IMO.
I spy a 71 GTO in the mech. shop photo:) and that shift knob is a keeper:thumbsup:
ImEvil1
10-09-2011, 12:51 AM
It is. Shot when we mounted up my 87 with one. They used it both with the roll bars and the partitions.
Good for cages, not so much for bars. Setina's partitions aren't truly roll-bars, though. Here is the Lakewood bar in my CSP for comparison. It's a 4-point bar (bare minimum, no forward supports). and is routed out through the rear package tray and welded in.
I say factory exhaust. Just looks better IMO.
I spy a 71 GTO in the mech. shop photo:) and that shift knob is a keeper:thumbsup:
Actually a Lemans convertible that's been there for years. I guess the question is more if I should use the h-pipe or the cats in that extra exhaust system that I'm planning on mounting up.
mac88chp
10-09-2011, 12:15 PM
Greg, did you reach up under the RH interior quarter panel cover and feel around for a build sheet? They have been located there taped to the sheet metal.
I've pulled the carpet back some but found padding packets only so far while feeling around in the footwell. I figure once I get the mechanicals done on it, I'll have a better time getting to the build sheet. I did try in the RH side but didn't try the LH side. I'll find it if it's there just have to dig in deeper. Looks like it's the original carpet and has only been dyed black so I think it's got to still be there.
ssp91ssp
10-09-2011, 12:29 PM
Greg ..... That build sheet is hiding from you.. soon you will find it.;)
Here are more mounting examples of roll bars.. my 88 CSP
http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss28/alvar4/88%20CSP%20SSP/101_3996.jpg
http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss28/alvar4/88%20CSP%20SSP/101_4003.jpg
http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss28/alvar4/88%20CSP%20SSP/101_4001.jpg
http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss28/alvar4/88%20CSP%20SSP/101_3995.jpg
Hector,
Setina indicated to me that they are the supplier of record for the "rollbar" and it was supposed to be a 4 point bar mounted somewhat like this:
http://www.specialservicemustang.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3410&d=1315364872
No matter, I cannot find the divots or holes or anything associated with a rollbar so my best guess is that this car was not equipped with one at all.
...but I will find that buildsheet... it can run but it can't hide!;)
As a brief update for those that mentioned it, I got the direct word from ISP today that the skull shift knob is definitely not something added by a trooper (they were very emphatic about that too). They were only allowed to install a CB radio and nothing more in their vehicles! So time to get a factory correct shift knob. I just got the Whelen Responder, mike clip and rear antenna on eBay in the past day or so and I'm only needing the GE radio itself that I see on eBay and the reflector of course for the responder light. I can say that I'm done with getting equipment from what I see in general. Now for more pressing matters!
Mustang Kid
10-11-2011, 09:08 PM
As a brief update for those that mentioned it, I got the direct word from ISP today that the skull shift knob is definitely not something added by a trooper (they were very emphatic about that too). They were only allowed to install a CB radio and nothing more in their vehicles! So time to get a factory correct shift knob. I just got the Whelen Responder, mike clip and rear antenna on eBay in the past day or so and I'm only needing the GE radio itself that I see on eBay and the reflector of course for the responder light. I can say that I'm done with getting equipment from what I see in general. Now for more pressing matters!
Like finding te build sheet:)
That and the mysterious missing time between June 27, 1986 delivery at the Ford dealership (I'm asking that question too as to who was the supplier of these cars) and May 31, 1996 where the car did not show any title, registration or any activity at all on Autocheck. Any other suggestions for finding this information?
NoDrama43
10-11-2011, 10:02 PM
that is the time it was in service....... Idaho SP and then maybe somewhere else (local or county, or college for example like my 91 GSP car) ........... prior to being sold to the first civilian owner.
My 91 GSP was taken out of service and transferred to a Georgia State owned college and in service there until sold in 2006.
Thanks Jim, that's what I figured it might be too just trying to be accurate on the information.
As I find more information, I will post it here. The other ISP car that surfaced this year was at Idaho State University in Pocatello after it was at ISP. There are 7 state universities and colleges there in Idaho along with the private colleges too and who knows the other potential departments that could have used this for drug cars or D.A.R.E or a number of things. The surplus program in Idaho states that they can without bid "transfer" to another municipality or state sponsored organization as well as donating to an established charity too. I think that there are some blank times on these cars - check the Autocheck on the recent Idaho SSP sale here on eBay (click on the auto report to see what I mean):
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/?cmd=ViewItem&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649&item=250894046786&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT#vi-content
You will notice that it was government registered in 2002... what happened before? I have a similar deal but not showing any government use at all nor any activity until 1996.
I'm going to contact Idaho's online DMV service today to see if there is any benefit to paying a $95.00 subscription fee and $8.50 per vehicle search and get any better information than what I'm getting from Experian. It might be that the electronic records only go back ten or so years, who knows. I don't know if "CarFax" is any better either.
I know that information is sometimes a WAG in these cases but I look to find answers and I'll keep digging. If anyone else has a suggestion of where to look, let me know.
gixxer1
10-14-2011, 06:58 PM
Congrats on the purchase!
Thanks! It's a bit of a challenge since I've never really done that much with Mustangs in the past or a restoration of a department other than my local departments here in Ohio.
I did however have some good progress today in historical searches. Worked out what looks to be the location of the correct Ford dealer today in Idaho that delivered my and Jim Y's cars in 1986. Along with that, I found possibly the cache of ISP radios that were in the Mustangs too with original ISP property tags still on them (no worries Jim, I'll get one for you too!). Have now multiple confirmations from the Boise Coroner's office, the radio firm that sold the GE radios and a US Marshal that have stated that ISP used GE Phoenix UHF radios from the early 80's on. I've also got an interesting note that they may have also used Federal PA 15, 20 and 200's rather than Unitrols... back to the drawing board maybe?? :headscratch:
NoDrama43
10-14-2011, 07:20 PM
awesome news.... thanks for all the work you have been doing... :)
Still working on the car... but it is looking better!
http://images45.fotki.com/v1310/photos/4/42477/2505011/DSCN5116M-vi.jpg
http://images51.fotki.com/v628/photos/4/42477/2505011/DSCN5117M-vi.jpg
Temporary tire...
http://images42.fotki.com/v1374/photos/4/42477/2505011/DSCN5118M-vi.jpg
Car is running strong... now it's just got to stop!!!!:eek:
Brakes are next...:2thumbs:
Found traces of the front mud flaps...
http://images54.fotki.com/v77/photos/4/42477/2505011/DSCN5119M1-vi.jpg
http://images58.fotki.com/v510/photos/4/42477/2505011/DSCN5120M-vi.jpg
Not sure what these holes are on the floor board... anyone (and no build sheet still)?
http://images42.fotki.com/v1374/photos/4/42477/2505011/DSCN5121M-vi.jpg
Found something interesting here...
http://images51.fotki.com/v303/photos/4/42477/2505011/DSCN5122M-vi.jpg
Which is the speaker mounting for the Phoenix radio...
http://images59.fotki.com/v684/photos/4/42477/2505011/DSCN5123M-vi.jpg
One more time... no rollbar marks showing...
http://images57.fotki.com/v256/photos/4/42477/2505011/DSCN5124M-vi.jpg
That doggone build sheet is still on the run somewhere under that carpet!!!!!!
http://images54.fotki.com/v77/photos/4/42477/2505011/DSCN5125M-vi.jpg
Found the patched roof mounted antenna hole... means this car had a CB radio and a UHF antenna...
http://images59.fotki.com/v684/photos/4/42477/2505011/DSCN5126M-vi.jpg
So some progress this week... Next week the exhaust and brakes... Now, any other suggestions where else to look for the doggone build sheet???:headscratch:
And to note, I just ordered the Marti report on this car just a few moments ago. That should help get me in the right direction this week and confirm what I found last week!
Got the Marti report last night. Looks like my research so far is fairly accurate except for two items:
1. Marti found that the car originally had a Canyon Red stripe on it. Is this a pinstripe?? Anybody have an example that they can post? I have not been able to find any of the ISP cars with this stripe on them in the photos that I've been able to see in my research. I've got to wonder if they removed it when the car had ISP paint the roof on it.
2. The car was sold July 28, 1986 for fleet duty. No indication to ISP but definitely Idaho SP DSO specifications.
The confirmation of the original dealer is now in place with this Marti report too so I feel good about the direction of my detective work so far. Moving on to verify other information with an ISP patrol sergeant that drove an 86 just after he came on and the head of ISP fleet so we can get this restoration going!
FoxChassis
10-21-2011, 11:45 AM
Does the image of the door tag on the Marti Report match the door tag on the car? Or is the tag on the car missing or not legible? Can you post an image of your Marti Report?
The "TAPE" column on the door tag is for paint stripes (painted on at the factory), and Bright Canyon Red would be code "E". That code, and the other five single letter paint stripe codes, is for the LX trim levels (coupe/hatch/convertible) only.
LX tape paint stripe codes/colors
A = Black
B = Bright Regatta Blue (coupe/hatch only)
E = Bright Canyon Red
Q = Medium Academy Blue
W = White (convertible only)
Y = Medium Champagne
If the stripes were deleted at the factory it would have been indicated in the comments on (at the bottom of) the build sheet. I have seen a few 1986 Saleen build sheets that have the comment DELETE PAINT STRIPES. i have also seen a couple of 1985 CHP build sheets that have the comment DELETE STRIPES. there may have been other ways for the factory to build an LX without the stripes, but I don't know.
The door tags match from the report with the car, I simply did not notice the tape stripe designation on the tag itself. I'll post the report when I get to my computer.
Marti Report as sent to me attached. First time for me to use Marti but have seen his previous reporting.
http://images51.fotki.com/v303/photos/4/42477/2505011/MartiRpt86ISPSSP-vi.jpg
I noticed that it didn't really say anything about Idaho SP but the buck tags do.
Door tag for reference:
http://images53.fotki.com/v249/photos/4/42477/2505011/Idaho11-vi.jpg
Buck Tags:
http://images59.fotki.com/v683/photos/4/42477/2505011/Idaho29-vi.jpg
http://images15.fotki.com/v2/photos/4/42477/2505011/Idaho30-vi.jpg
I'll have to get to them and get a better image of what is there.
Mustang Kid
10-21-2011, 09:54 PM
The build sheet could be on the trans tunnel, or it was taken out at the factory(?)
I have not had time to dig this week. I've been between Weirton, West Virginia and Dearborn, Michigan this week for work so the car is getting worked on while I'm away for now. All I can do is gather parts and research the history for the time being. I think I have to remove the front seats and then pull the carpet further so that I can get a better idea of the other items that can tell more of this car's history from the build sheet.
FoxChassis
10-22-2011, 06:37 AM
Odd that the DSO on the door tag and buck tag is 76 (Denver), as is the door tag image on the Marti Report, but the dealer code starts with 56.
So the closest available Ford Fleet sales office to Idaho is in Colorado? ISP did not use Fords at all until the late 90's. Typically, Idaho used Chrysler products for many years and in the mid to late 80's started going with Chevrolet. I can only speculate without talking with Ford Fleet that due to the lack of Ford police vehicle sales to Idaho, they would have to order any package or special service vehicles from a sales office that normally specifies them and most likely has available order slots. The part that is strange is why Colorado and not Utah or Washington or Oregon or any of the other bordering states that did actually provide sales offices for Ford?
FoxChassis
10-22-2011, 10:43 AM
Which DSO a car is ordered through has to do with the "region" (first digit) and "district" (second digit) that the ordering dealer is in. I don't know how Ford went about assigning dealers to which ever DSO they ended up.
I have ALWAYS seen that the first two digits in the dealer number is the DSO, that's why I thought it odd that the DSO on the door tags (actual and image) and the buck tag are 76 but the dealer number starts with 56. I thought that the dealer number would have started with 76 as well.
NoDrama43
10-22-2011, 10:46 AM
My 86 Idaho car also has a Denver DSO.
FoxChassis
10-22-2011, 10:54 AM
Do you know which dealer it was ordered through? (I assume the same one since it has the same DSO.) Do you have the original window sticker or invoice, or owner card (they sometimes have a dealer number written on them), or a Marti Report?
NoDrama43
10-22-2011, 11:01 AM
no Marti Report or Eminger on the 86 ISP. Kevin does not have the Eminger invoice however I will be ordering a Marti Report eventually.
copper
10-22-2011, 01:45 PM
Both my 83 Idado and my 86 Utah have the Denver DSO 76.
I have not had time to dig this week. I've been between Weirton, West Virginia and Dearborn, Michigan this week for work so the car is getting worked on while I'm away for now. All I can do is gather parts and research the history for the time being. I think I have to remove the front seats and then pull the carpet further so that I can get a better idea of the other items that can tell more of this car's history from the build sheet.
Do you know which dealer it was ordered through? (I assume the same one since it has the same DSO.) Do you have the original window sticker or invoice, or owner card (they sometimes have a dealer number written on them), or a Marti Report?
On Monday I will be talking with ISP fleet and get confirmation that the dealer was the same for all their orders.
ImEvil1
10-22-2011, 02:40 PM
Which DSO a car is ordered through has to do with the "region" (first digit) and "district" (second digit) that the ordering dealer is in. I don't know how Ford went about assigning dealers to which ever DSO they ended up.
I have ALWAYS seen that the first two digits in the dealer number is the DSO, that's why I thought it odd that the DSO on the door tags (actual and image) and the buck tag are 76 but the dealer number starts with 56. I thought that the dealer number would have started with 76 as well.
Dealer codes couldn't be the same as the DSO in many cases, because the DSO codes, like you mentioned above, are regional (districts).
From the DSO page here:
http://www.specialservicemustang.net/images/DSOscan1.jpg
FoxChassis
10-22-2011, 04:11 PM
I will have to go through all of the window stickers, invoices, reports again but if I remember correctly, this is the first time that the dealer code did not match the DSO. Granted, the documentation that I have seen is only but a very small percentage of total production.
When I say "region" and "district", that is what is on the build sheet. Put the two together and it's the same as the DSO.
Again, this is how all of the Idaho fleet cars have been ordered from my research.
Here is the door tag for the recent Idaho car that was sold out of the Cleveland area:
http://i803.photobucket.com/albums/yy319/john8md/2011-09-19111629.jpg
...same thing. And here is the buck tag for that vehicle:
http://images59.fotki.com/v684/photos/4/42477/2505011/GrHqJjQE5cCyfZ7cBOc7osnpig60_3-vi.jpg
Hopefully that helps you guys out with your search for the answer to the Idaho mystery... more info when I finally dig out the build sheet.
ImEvil1
10-22-2011, 05:29 PM
I will have to go through all of the window stickers, invoices, reports again but if I remember correctly, this is the first time that the dealer code did not match the DSO. Granted, the documentation that I have seen is only but a very small percentage of total production.
When I say "region" and "district", that is what is on the build sheet. Put the two together and it's the same as the DSO.
I might be missing your point, but we have tons of documented cars with DSO codes from adjacent states, ie. Oregon cars with 74 DSOs. If the ordering dealer was in OR, as in these cases, then the dealer codes don't match the DSO code.
I can always call the Denver sales office no?:thumbsup:
ImEvil1
10-22-2011, 08:00 PM
I can always call the Denver sales office no?:thumbsup:
I doubt it!
I have their telephone number...:cool:
ImEvil1
10-22-2011, 08:37 PM
I have their telephone number...:cool:
Good luck with that. :) Let us know if they tell you anything good.
Good luck with that. :) Let us know if they tell you anything good.
I aim to please... and find information!! I've gotten this far, might as well go "all out"!
FoxChassis
10-22-2011, 09:13 PM
I might be missing your point, but we have tons of documented cars with DSO codes from adjacent states, ie. Oregon cars with 74 DSOs. If the ordering dealer was in OR, as in these cases, then the dealer codes don't match the DSO code.
I think you're misunderstanding what I'm saying.
Anyway, did find more where the DSO wasn't the same as the first part of the dealer number. Most of them are the same though.
I was curious about this DSO/dealer number consistency and just checked something out. The actual DSO for Cleveland is 42 from what I see and the dealer prefix's for this area shows 44 whereas Cincinnati is 47 and 47 for a match with Columbus having the 47 code too. Toledo is 48 which is actually Detroit's prefix and in some ways makes sense since Toledo is within an hour of Detroit. Regions will make that happen from what I see.
I guess it's how Ford decided to cut things up!
More information now on the car from one of the guys that potentially prepped the car actually! Jim and Jeff I'll need you two to look for some markings on the radiator supports on your cars. When I get to my car, I'll have to look too. I don't know if they will be there but if they are, I'll have more historical data for these cars.
Digging away...
I am looking at my dash panel (not the pad itself) is really jacked on my ISP car and was wondering if there are any suggestions to fix it or should I be looking for another panel?
28HopUp
11-28-2011, 10:50 AM
Can you post a picture?
I just realized I didn't take a photo of that area. Let me go take one and post it. The dash pad just needs to be redyed and should be fine but the panel has a warp over the speaker cover area and doesn't look that great so wasn't sure if there was something that could be done.
Thanks!
My bad... I guess I'll need the whole dash pad unless someone has a suggestion...
http://images49.fotki.com/v1555/photos/4/42477/2505011/DSCN5130-vi.jpg
http://images16.fotki.com/v258/photos/4/42477/2505011/DSCN5131-vi.jpg
http://images112.fotki.com/v386/photos/4/42477/2505011/DSCN5132-vi.jpg
...Kind of a problem when I haven't looked at the car in a while since it's not in my garage.
Confirmed the dates of service and mileage on this vehicle this week.
7-28-1986 In Service
7-25-1989 Titled for auction and sold in Bliss, Idaho
72,793 miles when the unit came out of service
So the car did basically follow the rotation that ISP Fleet mentioned of three years.
Update... Clutch cable has been worked on to make sure that it's adjusting right. Was feeling like it might need a clutch but the cable wasn't self adjusting as it was supposed to. So no clutch for now, maybe down the road. Brakes being worked on next and the exhaust is almost on. I got an estimate for the paint already too in the basic black and white... Might be able to get this one out in public earlier than I thought. Will have to get carpet and the dash replaced and the seat covers maybe to make it look right too. All the emergency equipment is in my hands now so it can be installed right after paint and just before putting the interior back in.
ChrisL
03-10-2012, 02:37 AM
Glad to hear it's coming along Greg! Can't wait to see her back in Black/White!
That makes two of us waiting!! I just got the NOS siren speaker yesterday in the mail so now all the equipment is in hand.
Ok... drive train mechanicals are all done!
http://images24.fotki.com/v824/photos/4/42477/2505011/ISP86repaired05052012-vi.jpg
Brakes, clutch, fluids, exhaust, etc...
Now for paint!
NoDrama43
05-05-2012, 09:32 AM
nice !
ChrisL
05-05-2012, 09:55 AM
Awesome Greg! That looks great with those stainless exhaust sneaking out, and the steel wheels. Can't wait to see her in paint!
Thanks guys! I'm pumped up to get this one going. I've got two getting ready for paint so that's around the corner!
MOstang
05-05-2012, 02:17 PM
Nice progress. :thumbsup:
Took it for a spin to get used to driving it, got rubber when taking off, it's touchy on the throttle for a moment before I "got my shift back"! A bit less noise out of it since the exhaust runs all the way to the back now. Really runs strong, really smooth at speed. Good thing I don't have the new rubber and the NOS steelies on it yet... that's after paint!
texunter
05-05-2012, 10:21 PM
That's gonna be an awesome car! Thumbs up..
NoDrama43
05-07-2012, 04:31 PM
greg I just checked my door tag and it matches yours exactly except for the vin number. my car was also built with the same canyon red stripe. My Marti report should be here tomorrow
ChrisL
05-08-2012, 01:11 PM
For whatever reason Greg, that car always ran super strong. Can't wait to see it wearing the tuxedo again soon!
Well, working on making sure that it's back in its Tuxedo!! I still have work to do on the interior but it runs and is a solid car which is the most important.
Just working out the bodyshop stuff now.
mac88chp
05-09-2012, 12:02 PM
Took it for a spin to get used to driving it, got rubber when taking off, it's touchy on the throttle for a moment before I "got my shift back"! A bit less noise out of it since the exhaust runs all the way to the back now. Really runs strong, really smooth at speed. Good thing I don't have the new rubber and the NOS steelies on it yet... that's after paint!And so the SSP bug's bite takes full hold...enjoy the ride Greg! Can't wait to see this one be brought back to full dress...should be awesome. :thumbsup:
Michael, it's a blast but it's a new type of blast for me. I've had a few different patrol car restorations and this one is unique to me. First of it's kind for me since we didn't use them back in Ohio. It's very cool!
ChrisL
09-25-2012, 05:32 PM
Hey Greg, any progress on this one?
ssp5.0
09-25-2012, 10:48 PM
Have you checked out Just Dashes, in Van Nuys, CA?
Read several articles in car magazines saying they do great restoration work!
I don;t know the cost, but might be worth the call?
Bruce
Chris, Still working the mechanical issues right now. After doing the shakedown cruise earlier in the summer I found issues with it and I'm still working on those. Work has taken a priority for now so my time on this car is limited for the time being. I may actually be able to send this to paint sometime in the spring unless there will be room sooner at the technical college that has helped with the painting duties on my other restorations.
As for the dash, Just Dashes is very expensive ($800 for a restoration typically) and a replacement dash pad unit costs about $200.00 or less so I guess I have my answer there as to what I'm going to do.
I need to get back after this car... maybe I should take some time off and work on it (not even going to happen until November actually).
ChrisL
09-26-2012, 12:09 PM
I definitely understand work taking over, Greg. Hopefully the college will be able to take on the project fairly soon, can't wait to see that one back in paint!
I definitely understand work taking over, Greg. Hopefully the college will be able to take on the project fairly soon, can't wait to see that one back in paint!
Three engineering construction projects going on for work and trying to get some restorations done too!! I really want to get the Mustang done for next season.
Well had some time to run the ISP Mustang over this past week and was starting to get some valve clatter after it warmed up and coming off of a high idle. I'll have to recheck it but I thought I had put the right oil into it. I also still have a leak of some sort off and on around the power steering pump so I guess that will have to be addressed before heading into the paint booth. The 78 LTD is closer to being ready for the paint booth so it will probably be first in.
EXNODRAMANOTCH
11-29-2012, 08:49 AM
I can imagine that those wheel/tire storage fees are starting to add up to. :D
Well had some time to run the ISP Mustang over this past week and was starting to get some valve clatter after it warmed up and coming off of a high idle. I'll have to recheck it but I thought I had put the right oil into it. I also still have a leak of some sort off and on around the power steering pump so I guess that will have to be addressed before heading into the paint booth. The 78 LTD is closer to being ready for the paint booth so it will probably be first in.
I can imagine that those wheel/tire storage fees are starting to add up to. :D
Absolutely!! I'm worried that the interest is high! :eek:
EXNODRAMANOTCH shipped over the new rims and tires! :2thumbs:
At the same time the CPD museum lost it's 68,000 square foot storage facility to a city planner leasing our space out to someone else and giving us until the 19th to clear out the vehicles. We are scrambling to get another area for the vehicles. So perfect timing, the Idaho Mustang is heading for the body shop to follow the 78 LTD Sheriff's car we are doing too...
http://images52.fotki.com/v1551/photos/4/42477/2505011/IMG_1609-vi.jpg
...well got temporary homes for most of the cars and now for the boats, armored truck, and CSI van!? :eek:
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