1993 CHP and 1993 FHP being flipped

[Bullitt1609]

Just passing along. Flippers are at it again. Here are a couple members' cars being resold

Quoting ad:
1993 SSP MUSTANG FOR SALE $45,000

Restoring Mustang SSPs have become a growing hobby as of late, with car clubs and websites devoted to the restoration of the law enforcement workhorse. Most enthusiasts strive for accuracy in their models, with many scouring for OEM parts, including police radios, shotgun holders, lights, sirens, and other related equipment. Locating authentic service equipment is typically the toughest and most time-consuming aspect of restoring an SSP to its in-service condition. That's where homework and linking with fellow SSP enthusiasts proves invaluable. Mustang SSP values are strong, compared to other Fox-body Mustangs and should continue to strengthen in the coming years. This is one of the finest examples of a restored in srevice SSP Mustang's there is. As the 1980s dawned, the California Highway Patrol (CHP) approached Ford about producing a pursuit-special Mustang: A lightweight, compact and -- for the time -- powerful alternative to the laggard full-size Mopars. (The agency experimented with a few 1979 Camaro Z28-based pursuit cars, but their engines didn't hold up under strain.) As performance enthusiasts would soon discover, a potent 5.0-liter engine in the lightweight, rigid Fox-body "notchback" body delivered terrific performance. The CHP ordered about 400 in 1982 and the Mustang SSP (Special Service Package) was born. The SSP abbreviation means Special Service Package , a special Foxbody Mustang trim made exclusively for law enforcement use. One of the taglines used by Ford to help sell this car was This Ford chases Porches for a living. The Mustang SSP was essentially a more rugged version of the 5.0 Mustang, with added features (some standard, some optional) not available to the general public. Some of the additional features were:
Engine oil cooler
Silicone radiator hoses and aircraft-style clamps
Transmission fluid cooler
130 and 135 amp internally and externally regulated heavy duty alternators
Relocated rear deck release
Single key locking doors/trunk
Reinforced floor pans
Full size spare tire


1993 SSP MUSTANG FOR SALE $25000

This Ford chases Porches for a living. The Mustang SSP was essentially a more rugged version of the 5.0 Mustang, with added features (some standard, some optional) not available to the general public. Some of the additional features were:
Engine oil cooler
Silicone radiator hoses and aircraft-style clamps
Transmission fluid cooler
130 and 135 amp internally and externally regulated heavy duty alternators
Relocated rear deck release
Single key locking doors/trunk
Reinforced floor pans
Full size spare tire



http://www.luxurygolfcarts.com/cars_for_sale1

[stubes]

Don't know whether to laugh or shake my head.
Guess I should be proud the car I redid has a 45k asking price 😂
So much for the museum!

[Bullitt1609]

Don't know whether to laugh or shake my head.
Guess I should be proud the car I redid has a 45k asking price 😂
So much for the museum!

I'm right there with you!

[28HopUp]

WOW!!! That's crazy... :headscratch:

[Rhino]

Same guy that used the same tactic with my friend, Buddy, to buy his 88 PCSD car. Claimed a museum....then whammo - up for sale at almost 3 times the purchase price.

I have a feeling he will be stuck with these for quite some time. :)

[SCTrooper2000]

If someone is crazy enough to pay that much then so be it. I just hate it when those bloated prices cause the rest of us to pay more than a car is worth. I've been into air-cooled VW's for over twenty years now, and the prices for a rusted out beetle is ridiculous. I hope the SSP hobby stays within my comfort zone for a while..

[Andy]

http://i58.tinypic.com/344dz6o.jpg

[NoDrama43]

I have seen the CHP car Russ restored. One of the best I have ever seen.

Everyone knows how I feel about the greedy gougers that flip cars and parts. The only interest they have is making money, it has nothing to do about the cars or the people that drove them in service, regardless of how interested they pretend to be. I have been farting around with these cars for 18 years now. Gougers have always been around, but in the last five years they have gotten more greedy and their asking prices reflect that. 45K.......lol. That is some mighty fine crack that idiot is smoking.....

The seller will keep both of these cars unless he can find some douche retired millionaire with more money than brains. Plenty of them out there that could buy them. Like hitting the lottery.

[28HopUp]

I agree with ya, Jim. I joined this forum in 2008, and even back then flippers were not anything new. This kinda stuff happens all the time, regardless of the type of collector car. I don't condone it, and I am glad that this forum is available to the masses as a resource of information to warn others of sellers trying to make a fast buck.

Reading the FB posts about these two cars, I see where some folks say they are getting out of the SSP hobby. That is their choice. Interests ebb and flow, much like anything else. If these cars no longer light your fire, then it is time to move onto something else. But SSP Mutangs will continue to have a following (albeit, a relatively small, dedicated group), and we have set up this site to be the go-to place for everyone to learn about the cars and enjoy each others' company online. The seasoned veterans will help the n00bs learn that there are no shortcuts to performing a quality SSP restoration. The SSP hobby will persevere through the efforts of the "old-timers" along with the new blood, and we will continue with our efforts at .NET to keep the SSP blue light flickering.

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[kapracing]

I agree with ya, Jim. I joined this forum in 2008, and even back then flippers were not anything new. This kinda stuff happens all the time, regardless of the type of collector car. I don't condone it, and I am glad that this forum is available to the masses as a resource of information to warn others of sellers trying to make a fast buck.

Reading the FB posts about these two cars, I see where some folks say they are getting out of the SSP hobby. That is their choice. Interests ebb and flow, much like anything else. If these cars no longer light your fire, then it is time to move onto something else. But SSP Mutangs will continue to have a following (albeit, a relatively small, dedicated group), and we have set up this site to be the go-to place for everyone to learn about the cars and enjoy each others' company online. The seasoned veterans will help the n00bs learn that there are no shortcuts to performing a quality SSP restoration. The SSP hobby will persevere through the efforts of the "old-timers" along with the new blood, and we will continue with our efforts at .NET to keep the SSP blue light flickering.

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+1

Maybe its time for new blood anyway... I've been here since 07 and will be here for a long time to come " God willing"...

[RARESSP]

Hey I hopped in here a few years ago during my 93 resto and appreciate all the help and knowledge handed down...I have been in the Foxbody world since 91 and really enjoy these cars all of them...my 2 cents..

[maxwedge5281]

i might even think of selling my 1991 twilight blue santa clara county sheriffs dept car for that kind of money! if either sell at or anywhere near those prices i owe david p a great big thank you for such a sweet deal!!!

[28HopUp]

FHP 198 is currently on CL for $19K, but it is now on ebay without a reserve -

http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/201443898968?item=201443898968&lgeo=1&vectorid=229466&rmvSB=true

[NoDrama43]

I sent the seller a message asking if he knew it was crashed and rebuilt. I think there are some pictures around of the car when it got t-boned. Wasn't it totaled and the drivers side frame horn was bent?

someone refresh my memory.

[NoDrama43]

i might even think of selling my 1991 twilight blue santa clara county sheriffs dept car for that kind of money! if either sell at or anywhere near those prices i owe david p a great big thank you for such a sweet deal!!!

I bought your car from SSP Gary in Canada and brought it back to the US years ago. I can confirm how great a job Gary did restoring that car. One of the nicest repaints I had seen at the time.

[ImEvil1]

I sent the seller a message asking if he knew it was crashed and rebuilt. I think there are some pictures around of the car when it got t-boned. Wasn't it totaled and the drivers side frame horn was bent?

someone refresh my memory.

Front collision. I don't think it was totaled, but it definitely got hurt.

AutoCheck found 55 records for this 1993 Ford Mustang

I guess all of that buying and selling back and forth added up.

[kapracing]

If this is the same one I seen in Savannah, it had obviously been repair in the front and underhood color was not correct... Overall paint looked good though " If it is the same car";)

[NoDrama43]

I sent all the crash pictures to the seller. He asked me to send them. I wonder if he knew anything about it?

[urustyone]

What do you mean? "Perfect collector car. The car is perfect just like new." Per the ebay ad.

[NoDrama43]

If this is the same one I seen in Savannah, it had obviously been repair in the front and underhood color was not correct... Overall paint looked good though " If it is the same car";)

In one of his auction photos, you can see the 198 on the license plate. He made a little boo boo there which makes it clear what car it is. I have not heard back from him reference the crash photos. I asked him if he knew it was crashed. If he did know and he is hiding it from potential buyers he is just another seedy care salesman out to make a buck. If he did not know it was wrecked then that is another story. I will post up his response if I get one.

[TWOCARNUTS]

Does that car have a crash history? ? I have a friend very interested in it.....

[NoDrama43]

yes...seriously crunched.

send me your email address and I can send you photos.

[NoDrama43]

now the seller is claiming to have a clean Carfax......

He hasn't responded to the pictures I sent him.

pictures are here:

http://www.specialservicemustang.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2325&highlight=198

Judging by the bidding it looks like a previous owner is trying to buy the car back.

[28HopUp]

I am an Admin on two other Mustang forums, and one of the things I like about this place is that members cannot edit their post afterwards. It forces people to be mindful of what they write, and it preserves the information for later. I think it is helpful that the photos are still online from the prior damage to FHP198. Other SSP Mustangs have suffered more damage and been brought back to life, but it is nice that this information still exists for potential buyers to see.

[TWOCARNUTS]

Very helpful indeed!!.... Car listing has of now been removed.

[TWOCARNUTS]

Oops I made a mistake.....I received an email from eBay stating item no longer available but just checked and she's still active!!...sorry for my confusion. ...TECHNOLOGY ROCKS!!

[NoDrama43]

I think the car is pretty darn nice.....rare color...blah blah. however

when someone starts asking 20k for a car and doesn't disclose history then I don't have a problem disclosing it myself.

Maybe the seller was oblivious?
Maybe the seller knows and hoped for a quick sale?

judging by previous posts here the seller "claimed" these cars were going into a museum? Pretty clear he was lying about that.

[ImEvil1]

I am an Admin on two other Mustang forums, and one of the things I like about this place is that members cannot edit their post afterwards. It forces people to be mindful of what they write, and it preserves the information for later. I think it is helpful that the photos are still online from the prior damage to FHP198. Other SSP Mustangs have suffered more damage and been brought back to life, but it is nice that this information still exists for potential buyers to see.

Exactly why I set it like that and we keep it that way. Significantly less problems, and it sure helps to be able to refer back.

[MOstang]

I'm glad posts are quickly locked and only an Admin can edit. Surprising to me more forums don't do this as well.

[FlyinTiger]

I never submitted an insurance claim to keep the car from being totaled. I knew they would, and that the car could be rebuilt for about $3000. We ate the back of a Tahoe that day. Should have never driven it to work. 😔. I would probably still have it. I love Reef Blue.

[28HopUp]

Donny, thanks for posting up the add'l info/history about the car. As was said before, it's good to get the facts out there for prospective buyers and subsequent owners.

[NoDrama43]

I never submitted an insurance claim to keep the car from being totaled. I knew they would, and that the car could be rebuilt for about $3000. We ate the back of a Tahoe that day. Should have never driven it to work. ��. I would probably still have it. I love Reef Blue.

You did the right thing by posting up the damage when you offered it for sale.

Looks like the seller's dream of 20k got cancelled. I shill think it is a shame it wasn't advertised properly.

[FHP813]

10K for an SSP with collision damage...you gotta love eBay.

[NoDrama43]

10K for an SSP with collision damage...you gotta love eBay.

Yeh....and the unscrupulous mop and glow mafia.

[ImEvil1]

Yeh....and the unscrupulous mop and glow mafia.

Shill out, guys. Everyone knows it's caveat emptor!

[FlyinTiger]

Many SSP's have had accident damage, at some point. Russ fixed it right, & it received a full repaint. A quality, cosmetically restored car should be $10-12k.

[FHP813]

Many SSP's have had accident damage, at some point. Russ fixed it right, & it received a full repaint. A quality, cosmetically restored car should be $10-12k.

That's fine as long as it's disclosed. Like Mike said caveat emptor.

[NoDrama43]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ford-Mustang-LX-Sedan-2-Door-/201450251174?forcerrptr=true&hash=item2ee75ee3a6:g:u18AAOSwFnFWFBBi&item=201450251174

shilly me for thinking it really sold......back up. lol

[ImEvil1]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ford-Mustang-LX-Sedan-2-Door-/201450251174?forcerrptr=true&hash=item2ee75ee3a6:g:u18AAOSwFnFWFBBi&item=201450251174

shilly me for thinking it really sold......back up. lol

Nice...just like new.

[28HopUp]

The same seller in Florida has relisted the 93 FHP car on ebay -

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1993-Ford-Mustang-/191776465146?_trksid=p2141725.m3641.l6368

[MOstang]

Seriously? :eek: :rolleyes:

[28HopUp]

The 93 CHP that Russ had is on CL; getting closer to a more realistic price ($26,500) -

https://tampa.craigslist.org/hdo/cto/5401527937.html



And the 93 FHP (still on ebay) is listed at $16,500 on CL -

https://tampa.craigslist.org/hdo/cto/5401531396.html

[28HopUp]

The 1993 FHP is now on ebay without a reserve -

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1993-Ford-Mustang-/201535054825?_trksid=p2141725.m3641.l6368


This is the same seller from whom I purchased my 88 PCSD car. I have no connection with the seller, and will refrain from add'l comment about him unless you have a specific question.

[28HopUp]

The 1993 FHP is now on ebay without a reserve -

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1993-Ford-Mustang-/201535054825?_trksid=p2141725.m3641.l6368



Still at $8,700 with <2 days to go. Assuming the final bidder is legit and the seller follows through, this one may be had for a somewhat reasonable price.

[28HopUp]

It looks like the seller cancelled the auction. Guess the bidding wasnt going as high as he hoped. Perhaps he sold it outside of eBay?

[Drewstang]

Probably realized it wasn't going to climb to 20k and decided to put it away or send it to a R&M or Barrett Jackson style auction.

[NoDrama43]

10k car tops.....

[TWOCARNUTS]

Claimed "Error in listing"...classic!!

[Switchcars]

10k car tops.....

I wish. A very average white one is on eBay now, bidding at 11k and change.

I'd pay up to 15k for a really really nice one with a 5spd.
I've been looking for a while.

[NoDrama43]

10k tops......with me using money from my wallet.

I know the crash history on the car.

If you feel like throwing 15k at it I would message the owner. I bet you could own it tomorrow.

good luck with your search.

[28HopUp]

I'd pay up to 15k for a really really nice one with a 5spd.If you feel like throwing 15k at it I would message the owner. I bet you could own it tomorrow.

good luck with your search.



Just a reminder that the unmarked FHP has an auto tranny.

[Switchcars]

10k tops......with me using money from my wallet.

I know the crash history on the car.

If you feel like throwing 15k at it I would message the owner. I bet you could own it tomorrow.

good luck with your search.

Yea, this one was ruled out for me because of the auto tranny.

I'm guessing they all have some sort of a history......they were cop cars. Not many pristine ones out there. I did see the photos of the damage on the green one, and it didn't look all that bad.

[NoDrama43]

Yea, this one was ruled out for me because of the auto tranny.

I'm guessing they all have some sort of a history......they were cop cars. Not many pristine ones out there. I did see the photos of the damage on the green one, and it didn't look all that bad.

right.....but because of it (the crash) the guy is smoking crack if he thinks the car is worth 20k. Not to mention when the car was listed he failed to disclose the damage. Car dealers have a tendency to do that especially if it isn't on the car fax.

I have several cars that had no history....other than being driven.

Bottom line.....both of these cars are overpriced by thousands of dollars.

[Rico]

Hi guys going chime in... A while back ago my son and I were having a discussion about my projects I had.. some had motors missing , complete interiors missing etc... My son was telling me about a dream car he would love to own.. it happened to be a Mitsubishi Evolution its a pretty popular Non American car that these kids today love... He was telling me how cool and fast they were with only 4 cylinders and a turbo.. I fired my first torpedo and said to him they are just way to expensive then he replied and said that he would like to find a used one.. I thought I had him with my follow up answer " well if we find a used one we need to make sure its not been crashed or have a rebuilt title".. his response was I know dad I don't want one wrecked and then put back together... And I said your right... He then added so what's the difference with your projects... Some have been damaged and need full restorations?? I replied the title son its clean and clear.. no branding they are not shown as damaged in the title.. afterwards I thought about what he said... And he was sort of right all this time I defended cars that should have been in the grave yard because they were complete projects I totally looked down at a car that had some minor damage but because it would cost more than the value to fix up and would carry a salvage title I did not even want to bother to deal with.. today if I am happy with the way the car looks and drives that is acceptable in my book.. after all you got to be happy with your ride first..

[NoDrama43]

Neither of these two cars being discussed have salvage titles. The reef blue car is just way overpriced and was misrepresented by the seller.

[Switchcars]

Back up for sale now by a different seller.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ford-Mustang-LX-COUPE-/331856013774?forcerrptr=true&hash=item4d4428e9ce:g:rvQAAOSwSgJXNz5J&item=331856013774

[ImEvil1]

It is "Not in Service", in case that confused anyone...

[NoDrama43]

"Not In Service" on the windshield....

so classy....

people are idiots....

[28HopUp]

FHP198 is now for sale in Atlanta, GA for $18,500 -

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?zip=19711&endYear=1993&modelCode1=MUST&showcaseOwnerId=97103&makeCode1=FORD&startYear=1993&firstRecord=0&searchRadius=0&showcaseListingId=435681563&mmt=%5BFORD%5BMUST%5B%5D%5D%5B%5D%5D&listingId=422728288&Log=0

This seller is using some older photos of the car too (one with my PCSD car next to it when the "museum" in Florida was selling them last year). I'm not sure how many owners this car has had since the museum.