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MOstang 04-10-2020 09:33 AM

Great progress, thank you 👍🏻.

28HopUp 04-12-2020 08:22 PM

FHP
 
Find one and add 9 more!

I was contacted by someone on FB who has an 89 FHP that he wanted to add to the Project. The VIN ends in KF212035 (the link goes to his car's new page). His car is part of a batch of 120 consecutive VINs with what is believed to be mostly/all FHP cars under different DSO numbers. Previously, we have used DMV records to confirm when suspected cars have Police-branded titles. The problem is that we only use this information when the VINs fall within confirmed SSPs that have the same DSO number. The new car's DSO is 24-0251, which is the same number as KF212047. That means the VINs in between with police-branded titles can be added to the Project. So an additional 9 cars were added. Here is an example -

KF212036 (which appears to have been totaled)

Note, the DMV screengrabs were done in 2012 at the beginning stages of the Project, but these cars couldn't be added until now. Pretty cool!
:cool:

28HopUp 04-14-2020 10:31 AM

ebay listing for 1991 GSP

I have no connection to the seller of the above car, but the photos that are provided allow me to add this car to our VIN Project -

http://www.specialservicemustang.net...info176532.htm

:cool:

chp1982 04-14-2020 09:52 PM

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Bill, I'm pleased to introduce 1983 FHP VIN: 1FABP26F6DF215953.

28HopUp 04-15-2020 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chp1982 (Post 57636)
Bill, I'm pleased to introduce 1983 FHP VIN: 1FABP26F6DF215953.

It's nice to meet you! Here is the updated page for this SSP -

DF215953

That car looks to be a great find. Will you be creating a thread here in the Members' SSP section to document the restoration?

Hwyman 04-15-2020 01:46 PM

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Update on 1FABP40E8KF289898

http://www.specialservicemustang.net...info289898.htm

I have confirmation from Hall County Sheriff's Office in Georgia that this car did serve with the department. They sent me these pictures. They also confirmed the other 2 believed to be in-service with Hall County. This one is the dark blue, the others were dark grey and white.

Hwyman 04-15-2020 03:41 PM

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an additional picture

Hwyman 04-16-2020 02:55 PM

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The information from Hall County may be incorrect. I just received confirmation from The State of South Carolina that my car was registered titles, as new, to Florence County, SC. This is also the county in which the selling dealer was located.

28HopUp 04-17-2020 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hwyman (Post 57645)
The information from Hall County may be incorrect. I just received confirmation from The State of South Carolina that my car was registered titles, as new, to Florence County, SC. This is also the county in which the selling dealer was located.

You both may be right. Those unconfirmed Hall County cars are part of a 16-car consecutive VIN batch where that DSO spans more than four cars. So three cars may have gone to them and the rest were sold elsewhere. Does the front bumper on your car show any mounting holes for those round lights?

chp1982 04-17-2020 10:28 AM

Thanks, Bill. Yes, definitely will be creating a new thread but, I'll leave that to Chris K. to handle. He'll be taking possession soon!

Quote:

Originally Posted by 28HopUp (Post 57637)
It's nice to meet you! Here is the updated page for this SSP -

DF215953

That car looks to be a great find. Will you be creating a thread here in the Members' SSP section to document the restoration?


Hwyman 04-17-2020 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 28HopUp (Post 57646)
You both may be right. Those unconfirmed Hall County cars are part of a 16-car consecutive VIN batch where that DSO spans more than four cars. So three cars may have gone to them and the rest were sold elsewhere. Does the front bumper on your car show any mounting holes for those round lights?

No it does not, nor were there any holes in the roof for the mounts or wiring. I even checked under the weatherstripping.

28HopUp 04-18-2020 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hwyman (Post 57658)
No it does not, nor were there any holes in the roof for the mounts or wiring. I even checked under the weatherstripping.

So it remains a mystery. Hang in there!

28HopUp 04-18-2020 10:01 PM

Collaboration with Marti Auto Works
 
So I hinted earlier about some good things coming from Kevin Marti. Well, he and I have developed a mutually beneficial relationship. You see, some of the photos we find and publish in this Project contain unique information that Kevin needs to confirm data he provides. For instance, some VCL VIN labels found on the driver's door have specific spring rates listed for certain DSO numbers he needs. Kevin has ID'd those DSO numbers, and I have sent over the ones I have. For each needed photo I supply, he has agreed to run 3 standard Marti Reports. In this most recent instance, I supplied him with 21 photos which equates to 63 Marti Reports. That is HUGE!

I have VIN-specific folders of photos for cars that we suspect are SSPs, but the documentation is lacking. In other instances, there are VINs we suspect are SSPs, but we just do not know for sure. So we are using these Marti Reports to confirm a bunch of SSP Mustangs.

Here are two examples of what these new reports are able to add to the Project:

1983 NCSHP (same DSO as two other NCSHP cars)
1984 TxDPS #F4-471 (already in Project)

It takes a little bit of time to create these new pages, but I will update this thread with interesting updates to the Project.

THANK YOU to Kevin Marti for agreeing to this arrangement. If you have not already done so, go order a Deluxe Marti Report for your car(s).

:)

chp1982 04-18-2020 10:25 PM

That’s great news, Bill! Thanks as always for your hard work.

28HopUp 04-18-2020 11:19 PM

Thanks! I love being able to do this.

Here's one that is interesting. Y'all may remember a 1984 SSP ordered by the Georgia Division of Revenue -

EF227282 DSO #21-0479

Bobby (kapracing) owned this SSP at one time. It was Dark Academy Blue and was part of a 2-car VIN batch. Nothing was known about the other car, until now -

EF227283 DSO #21-0480

This car was ordered by the same dealer in Georgia as the other SSP, and the DSO number is one digit higher. This one was painted Dark Charcoal Metallic. Who knows what the history may have been on this SSP? Perhaps it was another "Revenuer"? :)

kapracing 04-18-2020 11:52 PM

Great stuff Bill!

Hwyman 04-19-2020 08:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 28HopUp (Post 57664)
So it remains a mystery. Hang in there!

Since the pictures from Hall County show a light bar, the front bumper lights, and the Georgia License Plates and the title history doesn't show it ever being titled in Georgia, I'm leaning towards this car being a Florence County, SC car. I do have a call into Florence County to confirm it.

Hwyman 04-19-2020 08:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 28HopUp (Post 57665)
So I hinted earlier about some good things coming from Kevin Marti. Well, he and I have developed a mutually beneficial relationship. You see, some of the photos we find and publish in this Project contain unique information that Kevin needs to confirm data he provides. For instance, some VCL VIN labels found on the driver's door have specific spring rates listed for certain DSO numbers he needs. Kevin has ID'd those DSO numbers, and I have sent over the ones I have. For each needed photo I supply, he has agreed to run 3 standard Marti Reports. In this most recent instance, I supplied him with 21 photos which equates to 63 Marti Reports. That is HUGE!

I have VIN-specific folders of photos for cars that we suspect are SSPs, but the documentation is lacking. In other instances, there are VINs we suspect are SSPs, but we just do not know for sure. So we are using these Marti Reports to confirm a bunch of SSP Mustangs.

Here are two examples of what these new reports are able to add to the Project:

1983 NCSHP (same DSO as two other NCSHP cars)
1984 TxDPS #F4-471 (already in Project)

It takes a little bit of time to create these new pages, but I will update this thread with interesting updates to the Project.

THANK YOU to Kevin Marti for agreeing to this arrangement. If you have not already done so, go order a Deluxe Marti Report for your car(s).

:)

That is awesome! Thank you!

28HopUp 04-19-2020 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hwyman (Post 57673)
Since the pictures from Hall County show a light bar, the front bumper lights, and the Georgia License Plates and the title history doesn't show it ever being titled in Georgia, I'm leaning towards this car being a Florence County, SC car. I do have a call into Florence County to confirm it.

Good luck! :)

28HopUp 04-19-2020 10:38 AM

Here's something NOT related to SSP Mustangs
 
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As most of you know, Mick/foxchassis was instrumental in assembling the VINs for this Project. He is very active with Four Eyed Pride, and our Project could not have been done without his efforts. So every once in a while when I would be running Marti Reports I would include some VINs that he needed.

In our latest efforts, Mick had 3 VINs of interest. As it turns out, the cars below are the first Saleen Mustangs from 1984. I could be wrong, and I will be happy to edit this post if needed, but I believe these cars are the first Saleen Mustangs.

:cool:

28HopUp 04-19-2020 12:33 PM

1984 CHP batches
 
In 1984, the CHP reportedly ordered 250 SSP Mustangs. It was thought that these cars ordered under DSO #72-0086 were divided into two VIN batches, which is unusual for Ford as cars within a specific 6-digit DSO number were typically batched together.

The first batch of confirmed 1984 CHP Mustangs contained 136 consecutive VINs, and the second batch had 125 VINs. Some of the last VINs in the first batch are not confirmed CHP cars, so we figured we had all 250 in those two batches. Well, not too long ago a 1984 CHP car popped up whose VIN was from a different batch of 16 cars with a different DSO number -

EF208235

So we used our access to Marti Reports to determine that the first and last cars on that batch are also from the same DSO number.

EF208224
EF208239


That makes it 99.9% certain that all 16 cars are also CHP cars. I guess we need to take a closer look at the unconfirmed cars in the first two batches. Once that is done, we can assert whether or not the CHP truly order 250 cars in 1984.

28HopUp 04-19-2020 06:02 PM

Let's take a look at those PCSD cars!
 
http://www.specialservicemustang.net...256155pic1.jpg

http://www.specialservicemustang.net...256166pic1.jpg

Allow me to give another shout out to Kevin Marti. With his reports we are able to confirm the remaining 1988 SSP Mustangs from Pierce County Sheriff's Department. They ordered different color cars this year:

Cabernet Red . . .11 units
Oxford White . . . 5 units
Light Grey . . . . 1 unit
Med Shadow Blue. . 1 unit
--------------------------------
. . . . . . . . . 18 units total


Take a look at the 1988 VIN Page and scroll down to JF256164. Although I no longer own a PCSD car, I am glad to have been able to confirm the entire 1988 batch.

FlyinTiger 04-19-2020 06:24 PM

Descriptions of the Saleens look accurate.

dcompson 04-19-2020 07:16 PM

Thanks for keeping up on the vin project and keeping it active.

28HopUp 04-23-2020 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dcompson (Post 57681)
Thanks for keeping up on the vin project and keeping it active.

Absolutely! :D

Here's an interesting one that popped up on Ebay over 10 years ago. It was an SSP used by the Fire Department in Lake Worth, Florida. We had a photo of the VIN label, but nothing to confirm the SSP option until we received the Marti Report -

1988 Lake Worth Fire Department

http://www.specialservicemustang.net...216685pic3.jpg


I'm not sure of the status of this car after all these years, but at least it lives on in our Project. :)

28HopUp 04-23-2020 02:25 PM

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Here's an SSP that I have had in a "VeryPending" folder. It is a 1988 Brooksville, Florida SSP -

1988 Brooksville SSP (unconfirmed)

The car pictured in the link does not have any agency-specific documentation tying that VIN to this car, but it was ID'd at some point as the VIN for this car. So the listing is marked as "unconfirmed", but there is no question that this VIN came factory equipped with the SSP option.

Below is a photo of a relatively new Charger from Brooksville PD. The graphics have not changed much.

28HopUp 04-24-2020 11:41 AM

Here's an instance of there being one DSO order number with cars sold to multiple agencies. We had already confirmed an SSP from DSO #72-0491 that was allegedly sold to Hermosa Beach Police Dept in California -

1992 Hermosa Beach PD (unconfirmed agency usage)

http://www.specialservicemustang.net...176853pic4.jpg



There were two other cars whose VINs were close in number to this car which were sold on ebay in the mid-2000s. In those ebay ads, the respective sellers listed the agency/city that originally purchased these cars. By ordering Marti Reports, we are able to confirm that they were all ordered under the same DSO number.

1992 East Bay Police Dept (unconfirmed agency usage)

http://www.specialservicemustang.net...176851pic1.jpg


-------------------------


1992 City of Chico (unconfirmed agency usage)

http://www.specialservicemustang.net...176858pic2.jpg



There are other VINs in between these cars, so who knows which agency(s) may have purchased those cars originally? Pretty cool! :cool:

Hwyman 04-24-2020 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hwyman (Post 57643)
Update on 1FABP40E8KF289898

http://www.specialservicemustang.net...info289898.htm

I have confirmation from Hall County Sheriff's Office in Georgia that this car did serve with the department. They sent me these pictures. They also confirmed the other 2 believed to be in-service with Hall County. This one is the dark blue, the others were dark grey and white.

I have just received a call from Florence County (South Carolina) Sheriff's Office, their fleet manager confirmed this car and it's ID number as one of their's. Based on the title information from SCDOT and this confirmation, I am ready to say this car was not Hall County and was in fact Florence County. He started there in 1989, and remembers this car, it was a NARC car and even remember the deputy it was assigned.

28HopUp 04-24-2020 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hwyman (Post 57705)
I have just received a call from Florence County (South Carolina) Sheriff's Office, their fleet manager confirmed this car and it's ID number as one of their's. Based on the title information from SCDOT and this confirmation, I am ready to say this car was not Hall County and was in fact Florence County. He started there in 1989, and remembers this car, it was a NARC car and even remember the deputy it was assigned.

That's great to hear. Are they willing/able to send you anything to document the car? I will gladly update your car's page accordingly. :)

Hwyman 04-24-2020 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 28HopUp (Post 57706)
That's great to hear. Are they willing/able to send you anything to document the car? I will gladly update your car's page accordingly. :)

Yes, I should have documentation on their letterhead to this fact. As soon as I have it, I'll post it! Thank you!

28HopUp 04-26-2020 07:52 PM

1989 Never-In-Service

The above SSP was just verified with a Marti Report, but the car popped up on ebay back in 2008. The seller claimed it was never used in-service, so we have it listed that way. It is a single-VIN batch not paired with other VINs.

NELSON 04-30-2020 05:00 PM

1985 Kentucky Vin's
 
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Not sure why only 3 vin's show as KY but they are all confirmed Ky.ssp's

28HopUp 05-01-2020 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NELSON (Post 57726)
Not sure why only 3 vin's show as KY but they are all confirmed Ky.ssp's

There are MANY instances in the Project like this. Although it may be 99.9% certain that a VIN(s) is part of a batch ordered for a specific agency with other confirmed cars around it, there isn't (to-date) documentation to confirm that specific VIN(s) as being part of that DSO number or agency purchase. Here's another glaring example: there are a bunch of unconfirmed 1982 CHP Mustangs not identified as such because there is no specific documentation for that VIN.

NELSON, do you have any documentation for FF227464, FF227466, and FF227467 that we can use in the Project to add these cars?

NELSON 05-01-2020 11:37 AM

Bill, I have documentation on all of them from the State of Kentucky.

28HopUp 05-01-2020 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NELSON (Post 57728)
Bill, I have documentation on all of them from the State of Kentucky.

If you are able to send the documentation, my email is
28hopup at gmail dot com and I will gladly add these cars. :)

NELSON 05-01-2020 09:51 PM

P.M. sent

28HopUp 05-06-2020 01:09 PM

Here are two recently added 1990 SSP Mustangs that were both GSA cars -

LF191618
LF191631

28HopUp 05-06-2020 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NELSON (Post 57728)
Bill, I have documentation on all of them from the State of Kentucky.

Per your post on FB, here's the 1990 still owned by KSP -

http://www.specialservicemustang.net...info141234.htm

If you have a photo of the car itself, I'll gladly add it to the page.

28HopUp 05-06-2020 11:25 PM

Here's a 1993 SSP that appeared on Ebay back in 2008. At that time, the seller said the car was originally ordered by the Greensboro NC Police Department.

1993 Greensboro PD (unconfirmed)

It is listed as unconfirmed because we do not have any documentation to substantiate it as such. You'll note in the Ebay listing that the car was originally REEF BLUE but the police department painted it silver. :eek:

28HopUp 05-09-2020 06:37 PM

We now have a third AVIS car confirmed in the Project:

LF158119


Here are the other two:

LF159120
LF158121


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