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chp1982 04-30-2017 09:01 PM

Looking great!

28HopUp 05-01-2017 10:14 AM

Very cool! Good luck getting it smogged.

mac88chp 05-01-2017 06:56 PM

Your car is certainly coming along and looking good Steve. Hope all goes smoothly at the smog station.

Yesterday was indeed a great day for getting these old warhorses out. I drove mine across the Golden Gate Bridge and on down to Half Moon Bay to be part of a vintage police car display at the Pacific Coast Dream Machines Show.

Wolfe1013 05-01-2017 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 28HopUp (Post 55447)
Very cool! Good luck getting it smogged.

The year I got mine and went to get my registration and plates was the one year the city of Memphis decided to smog test all vehicles, including those going for antique tags. It's a one time purchase but your limited on usage. Weekends are free but don't get caught driving through the week unless getting the car serviced or going to some event.

A proper tune up and a bottle of "Guaranteed to Pass" does work and got my 82 cleaned up and running well enough to pass the inspection. You can find it at your local auto parts store.

Greg

Steve 05-01-2017 11:42 PM

I've got to run the whole tank of gas through first so I am driving it as much as I can. I have heard it is hard to get these 82's through California smog check standards; I have no idea why. A new catalytic converter can make up for a lot, though, and if she needs it she'll get one. I think a tune up is probably in order too.

Mac88chp, that sounds like fun. I was thinking of going to the Dream Machine show, but next weekend the wife and I will go to Reno, NV for a few days of R&R. Maybe I'll see you at the Ripon EV show if you attend.

I finished making the CC1 to MPA2 cable today; as soon as the parts to rebuild the CC1 plastic J1 connector come in I'll be ready to test everything again.

As I have been driving 0327 around, configured as in the last pics, hardly anyone seems to notice. Only at the gas station the other night did a kid (~20-22) ask about it; he was a Mustang fan and recognized what it was.

NoDrama43 05-02-2017 12:01 AM

all this 1982 CHP stuff has got me itching to drive one.....

Steve 05-02-2017 12:49 AM

Jim you're welcome to do so anytime! Come out to N. California and help me put some miles on 0327 so I can get through this tank of gas!

mac88chp 05-03-2017 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve (Post 55450)
Mac88chp, that sounds like fun. I was thinking of going to the Dream Machine show, but next weekend the wife and I will go to Reno, NV for a few days of R&R. Maybe I'll see you at the Ripon EV show if you attend.

Steve, bring your car to show at Ripon this year completed or not. We'll be there with #3035 and will probably also be bringing along our other in-progress project as we did last year:

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Ripon EV Show - 2016

Steve 05-03-2017 09:25 PM

I will surely bring it to Ripon this year, in whatever state it is in at the time. I've already talked with my high-school-age son and he wants to come too, to see all the cars.

I've been running 0327 as a daily driver all week, to put miles on it. To the store, to the bank, to the local Stop-and-Rob at 2 am for a twelvepack (just kidding about the last part). So it looks now like late next week it will go into the shop for tune-up and smog check.

Today I put a new headlight switch in because the old one was intermittent. The key to it is pulling out the lights control knob and metal shaft; otherwise you cannot get the old switch out. I putzed around with it for an hour before I looked at the new switch and figured out the small spring-loaded pushbutton on the bottom is there for a reason; it's the locking pin release for the shaft.

chp1982 05-03-2017 09:36 PM

I never got around to installing that nos switch. Looks like maybe I did myself a favor!

Steve 05-03-2017 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by chp1982 (Post 55458)
I never got around to installing that nos switch. Looks like maybe I did myself a favor!

I was thinking about what you told me, that it can be a PITA. You can't see far enough under the dash, from any position, to see that shaft locking pin release button. So unless you know it's there, you'll never get that old switch out (without destroying the lower dash trim, that is, lol).

Steve 05-04-2017 08:08 PM

0327 New Speakers and Instrument Cluster R&R
 
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Today 0327 got the new dash speakers installed and the instrument cluster removed, renewed, and replaced.

The plan for the dash speakers is to connect them to the output of the Regency Scanner (working), which then will simulate radio traffic (I have no plans to try to get the two-way radio working). I also want to splice that output to the radio input of the CC1, fingers crossed, so it can go to the outside speaker. But at a minimum there will be simulated radio traffic inside the car.

I took the instrument cluster out, then on my workbench took it apart, cleaned everything, polished the input connector contacts and the panel bulb contacts. I also removed 35 years of dust from it and the dash area where it mounts. Two bulbs were replaced.

There is a fair amount of rust in some of these areas. When 0327 was in Washington State it apparently sat outside for extended periods and water got inside and stayed there. So many of those steel interior parts, under the dash, fasteners, support brackets, etc. were unprotected steel. chp1982 did a great job cleaning up mold and the carpet. As I take things apart and get deeper in I find rust. Everything is functional, and a lot of it you don't see when every thing is together, but I figure while it is apart it can be mitigated.

I use a product called "CorrosionX". I use it on nuts and bolts that are rusted before I put them back together, or as a wipe down treatment of just about any metal surface that has small rust pits or just needs a polishing. I also put some on a Q-tip and dab it on rusted screw heads, washers, clips, just about anything that has been attacked by rust. Let it sit for a few minutes and wipe it off. It gives a nice patina, removes the rust color, and leaves a protective film. Got it on Amazon. Does a great job imo. Even for things I am not actually taking it apart, I use it just to make it look better.

I have two pics below showing dash screws and clips before and after using this material. The light isn't very good as it is getting dark but you can see some difference.

mac88chp 05-04-2017 09:15 PM

Wow, you are taking your restoration very seriously with all the right details Steve and I admire that greatly. Keep the updates coming! :thumbsup:

Thank goodness #3035 spent it's entire life in the dry CA Central Valley before I acquired it. While most of the interior was burned to a crisp, at least I never had to deal with a bit of interior (or exterior for that matter) rust. I never hooked up my dash speakers to the Regency scanner but sometimes wished that I had over the years as the output would have been louder than just that coming from the scanner itself. It really only mattered when I was on the road where I like to keep tabs on the car-to-car chatter concerning my presence out there. ;)

The output from the scanner itself is sufficient at shows and events to simulate radio traffic and I never hooked up my Micor broadcast radio as well. I always program my scanner for all the areas I plan to travel through when I'm in transit and make sure I have the local frequencies on when I'm showing. But I have to tell you I don't hear near the radio traffic these days as it seems more and more communications have moved over to the CAD system.

Steve 05-12-2017 10:43 PM

0327 Update: All Emergency Eqpt Working
 
Today I installed the CC1 with the rebuilt output connector. Everything now works, from all of the lights to the PA system, outside speaker, and siren. After 30+ years...

I also connected the Regency M100 scanner output to the dash speakers and the CC1's "Radio" input.

I had previously taken the dash speakers (4 Ohm) and added a resistor across the terminals to drop their impedance to 4 Ohms, which is what the Micor system wants. But since I will not be using the Micor, and instead using scanner output to simulate radio traffic, I needed an 8 ohm impedance because this is what the Regency output needs for a load. By connecting the dash speakers in series, it gives 8 Ohms. Perfect.

It was awesome to hear the scanner output both from the dash speakers, and on the outside speaker.

Next week 0327 goes in for tune-up, smog check, and some minor mechanicals.

Steve 05-13-2017 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve (Post 55547)
Today I installed the CC1 with the rebuilt output connector. Everything now works, from all of the lights to the PA system, outside speaker, and siren. After 30+ years...

I also connected the Regency M100 scanner output to the dash speakers and the CC1's "Radio" input.

I had previously taken the dash speakers (4 Ohm) and added a resistor across the terminals to drop their impedance to 4 Ohms, which is what the Micor system wants. But since I will not be using the Micor, and instead using scanner output to simulate radio traffic, I needed an 8 ohm impedance because this is what the Regency output needs for a load. By connecting the dash speakers in series, it gives 8 Ohms. Perfect.

It was awesome to hear the scanner output both from the dash speakers, and on the outside speaker.

Next week 0327 goes in for tune-up, smog check, and some minor mechanicals.

I should proofread a little better before I hit the Submit Reply button...I meant I had added the resistor across the 4 Ohm dash speakers to drop their impedance to ~3.2 Ohms. By removing the resistors they reverted to 4 Ohms.

chp1982 05-13-2017 07:28 AM

Great job, Steve. If you can post a link to a video at some point, I'd love to see how exactly it all works.

Steve 05-15-2017 10:42 PM

0327 Goes to the Shop
 
Today at 0900 0327 went into the shop for a thorough tune-up, smog check, and new rear wheel bearings. Which isn't news as I have been talking about it for the last few weeks. But it does have a story associated, that I think might be of amusement to SSP enthusiasts.

The car was checked in by one of the founders, who is close to retirement, and is somewhat a curmudgeon. All the personality of a fence post. Perhaps all the years of doing mundane, monotonous work on grocery-getters has dulled his senses and although he doesn't do the work any more, you'd think something out of the ordinary would get his attention, generate a spark of enthusiasm. Nope. He goes out to get the mileage and VIN for the shop order. 0327's interior is out and only the driver's seat is installed. I had told him at the start the veh. was in the process of being restored (so no comments about the interior or any other part are necessary).

He writes down the info, then says "You want to restore this thing?" "Yes", I replied. it's a former CHP patrol car. "So what?" he fires back, demonstrating complete lack of knowledge, understanding, and interest. 'There's an entire hobby devoted to restoring and collecting these cars" I informed him. " He shook his head, smiled slightly, then said "Well...congratulations" then shook his head some more. Too bad this guy doesn't own a tow yard full of SSPs and says to me "I just want them out of here".

Some people will never get it...and don't want to.

Meanwhile, I modified 0327's extender roof-mount antenna cable by removing the coax connector and replacing it with one compatible with the input jack to the Regency scanner.

The now-working CC1 and MPA2 and their new cable are waiting patiently to be installed once 0327 comes back from the shop.

Steve 05-19-2017 11:08 AM

It's the Little Things That are Most Annoying
 
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0327 is in the shop sitting...waiting for a part...I registered it in California, as a historical vehicle, but even though it will be driven very seldom, California still requires that it pass the smog check. So the shop is going through everything and they find out that the Exhaust Manifold Heat Riser (pic below ATP 105012) has been modified, essentially removed, and it has to be replaced. That alone causes it to fail the smog check and there is no point continuing with anything else until that problem is solved. Should be no problem, right? Order one, a few days later it's in, install and move on.

Except that although many places online list the part, actually getting one is a challenge. They ordered one on eBay, two days later the seller refunded the money and said he didn't actually have the part. I've ordered one from a parts dealer online, but the best they can tell me is it ships from the manufacturer. No eta on when/if it might ship. So now it's on hold.

I can handle things like making wiring harnesses, troubleshooting the CC1 and MPA2, things that seem like real problems. But it is a simple little emissions-control part that brings the whole thing to a stopping point. A little vacuum-controlled valve that probably nobody ever knew or cared was in there. I looked at 0204 to see if it had one I could borrow. The same mod has been done to it so no go there. I am guessing perhaps over time this part, with it's butterfly valve in the center, gets sticky and stays closed and that causes problems so that's why they were modified by removing the butterfly valve and vacuum solenoid.

It's so annoying because I can't get 0327 to the differential or body shop (my friend's shop) that are 150 miles away until I get the registration completed.

Steve 05-19-2017 04:40 PM

I've searched the Internet, there are two eBay listings, but they are the same seller and there is NO stock; the 10 available shown is an error. I've been in contact and they said they have been trying to take them down but eBay software keeps reposting. I have checked with Autoplicity, Summit Racing, Wrench Monkey, all of them. I even checked with the last manufacturer, ATP Automotive: nada.

I'm betting this is one of those parts that didn't fare well in service. Like most exhaust system components, over time rusted, seized up, and was removed completely or (like the ones I have) someone modified them by removing the butterfly valve and vacuum pot. In California, it will fail the smog check on a visual inspection just for that.

This part was used on a lot of Ford and Mercury products 81-86. I may have to go to a junkyard, crawl under some hulk in a puddle of oil, transmission fluid, and general putrefaction, then wrestle with two rusted, baked on nuts to remove one that's probably seized up anyway or just worn out. Then I can take it back to my shop, polish it up, unstick the valve/shaft, then the smog checker will be happy because it's there. This is my last resort.

I haven't gone to a junkyard for many years, but then I haven't gotten this deep into auto work since I was a teenager. Oh well, perhaps I can spin it into something good: Virtually going back in time and reliving youth...

NoDrama43 05-19-2017 09:11 PM

Steve is that a CA item only?

I have several early 5.0 motors that are complete with manifolds. I can check them to see if I have one on any of those motors.

ImEvil1 05-20-2017 12:07 AM

I think I have a couple extras also.

Steve 05-20-2017 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by NoDrama43 (Post 55578)
Steve is that a CA item only?

I have several early 5.0 motors that are complete with manifolds. I can check them to see if I have one on any of those motors.

I don't know if it is CA only. It would be located at the end of the driver's side exhaust manifold, between the manifold and the exhaust pipe.

Steve 05-20-2017 03:18 AM

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Originally Posted by ImEvil1 (Post 55581)
I think I have a couple extras also.

I sure am in the market for one if you have one to sell. I found out today the company I ordered online from has no stock either and won't because the manufacturer has discontinued. These things are scarcer than hen's teeth, or a genuinely honest politician in Washington D.C.

ImEvil1 05-20-2017 11:35 AM

If I have an extra, you can have it. I will try to get over there this weekend and take a look.

ImEvil1 05-23-2017 12:04 PM

Steve,

Made it over there yesterday to check. I have extra manifolds, but not extra valves. Sorry about that. I was sure I had a box with extras.

chp1982 05-23-2017 02:04 PM

A member on FEP came through with one for the cost of shipping. Hopefully shipping out today.

ImEvil1 05-23-2017 04:00 PM

Good deal!

Steve 05-25-2017 08:33 PM

Thanks, Mike, and everyone who responded. Through the efforts of chp1982 I was able to get one. A used one, but it works, and should do the job. I am going into the shop tomorrow morning at 8 am to bring it in. With what it took to find it I almost feel like bringing in a trumpet or bugle to announce to the shop (and the city) the arrival of the coveted Exhaust Gas Riser valve, which had stopped the project dead in the water.

I sincerely appreciate the advice, assistance, and help I have been fortunate to receive from members of this forum. The restoration of 0327 (and virtual reincarnation of 0255) would not be happening without it.

I had, through the internet, looked all over the country and the world to try to find a nos part. I had said that these things are about as hard to find as a genuinely honest politician in D.C. So my faith in politicians is restored!!!...just kidding...I wouldn't go quite that far...:D

NoDrama43 05-25-2017 08:38 PM

excellent Steve. Hopefully all will go well.

Steve 06-01-2017 09:52 PM

0327 Is Now California legal!
 
Got a call this afternoon from the shop. 0327 has now passed the California smog test. It wasn't easy; it took that heat riser part chp1982 found, changeout and correct routing of all vacuum hoses, tuneup, and replacing all 3 CAT converters.

I will pick it up tomorrow; have an appointment next week at the DMV to complete registration as a historical vehicle.

After that it will be a drive to Santa Clara, CA for a visit to the differential shop, then I will take it by my buddy's body shop to show him so he can schedule it for body and paint. That will be the most difficult part as his shop is busy and it may be there for a while.

With a little luck it will be ready for the Ripon Emergency Vehicle show in October, which is the premiere event in Northern California.

28HopUp 06-02-2017 09:15 AM

Congrats on getting it smogged! :)

Steve 06-02-2017 03:53 PM

Just drove 0327 home from the shop. Starts up right away; I love it when you just turn the key and an engine starts immediately, cold or hot. Idles nice and smooth at 950 rpm, and has all the power I remember. And it is way under the California emissions limits. That is a good rule of thumb indicator of an engine's overall health. For me that's good enough and I won't need to rebuild it.

chp1982 06-02-2017 07:53 PM

Great to hear, Steve!

mac88chp 06-02-2017 11:43 PM

Good news, way to hang in there!

NoDrama43 06-06-2017 08:03 AM

good news. Now does the car have to be smogged every year?

Steve 06-07-2017 02:07 PM

Yes, it will have to be retested but only every two years. Even though it is registered as a Historical vehicle, and is only supposed to be used for special occasions, it still is treated as any other streetable vehicle. It makes no sense, but that's the way it is in California. Things don't have to make sense here...

Steve 06-09-2017 06:25 PM

0327 Update
 
Today the registration was completed for 0327. The Historical Vehicle plates will come in the mail in a few weeks.

I drove 0327 to a differential shop today also. There was a rubbing or grinding sound coming from the rear axle, sounded a lot like it was coming from the driver's side, so it may be as simple as an axle bearing. I should have a diagnosis today or next Monday.

What I like about this shop is it's a small shop, run by the owner, who does all the work. As soon as he saw 0327 he knew what it was. He said he had a friend who had an 84 SSP, so he has some familiarity, and thinks it's a cool project (I liked hearing that a lot better than "You want to restore that thing? lol). Of course he knows all about the 7.5 inch differential and it's issues.

So I think 0327 is in good hands.

Steve 06-16-2017 03:02 PM

Differential Rebuild
 
0327 came home from the Differential Shop today. It has been making a lot of noise, especially from the driver's side of the rear axle. Sure enough, the axle bearing on that side was shot. The positraction unit was also worn out, no surprise there with the history of these units.

I thought about where to rebuild the stock rear axle, or get an 8.8. In the end, for the sake of originality, I had them rebuild it. New axle bearings, new axle shafts, new Posi. Drives great now and nice and quiet.

If I was doing anything high-performance with the vehicle, or modifying anything else, I would have gone with an 8.8.

mac88chp 06-16-2017 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve (Post 55731)
0327 came home from the Differential Shop today. It has been making a lot of noise, especially from the driver's side of the rear axle. Sure enough, the axle bearing on that side was shot. The positraction unit was also worn out, no surprise there with the history of these units.

I thought about where to rebuild the stock rear axle, or get an 8.8. In the end, for the sake of originality, I had them rebuild it. New axle bearings, new axle shafts, new Posi. Drives great now and nice and quiet.

If I was doing anything high-performance with the vehicle, or modifying anything else, I would have gone with an 8.8.

That same bearing went bad on my car too but the rest of the rear was good to go. Who knows how much of it is still original.

Good decision on keeping things on yours to original spec. Once you are finished with your restoration and have spent all the time, effort and money on it, true performance driving will be the LAST thing on your mind. Take it from someone who's been there for the last eleven years - you'll be concentrating WAY more on avoiding rock/debris hits plus all the lousy and crazy drivers around you and on hoping your decades old ride will get you home at the end of the day without a breakdown.

NoDrama43 06-17-2017 10:26 AM

+1 on keeping the original rear diff. Swapping in an 8.8 would have been a total fail....(to me anyway)

:)


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