CHP Rumor Regarding Restored Cars
I decided to feed my internet forum addiction :) and join www.evooa.org, which is a group dedicated to all types of emergency vehicles. After I posted about my CHP SSP Mustang, I rec'd the following message -
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This has little impact on the plans I have for my car, because I am making it an unmarked driver and I live 2,800 miles away. But it certainly could affect others living in California who are looking to restore their CHP car. |
I'm not a lawyer or LEO but I always thought law enforcement was there to enforce the laws not make or change them. So until I see a statute in black and white I will take it as a rumor, although there might be a law on the books already and it was just not being enforced.
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Try looking up the law at http://www.findlaw.com/. Any state or federal law and be found there
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This is the law in OH:
2913.441 Unlawful display of law enforcement emblem. (A) No person who is not entitled to do so shall knowingly display on a motor vehicle the emblem of a law enforcement agency or an organization of law enforcement officers. (B) Whoever violates this section is guilty of the unlawful display of the emblem of a law enforcement agency or an organization of law enforcement officers, a minor misdemeanor. Does not address emergency lights though. We had a guy who ran around with Vol. FF lights on his mini van and was not a FF. I believe the discussion on that was as long as they were not turned on it was okay...but they were solid red, not blue and red. |
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"Several months ago, word got out that the CHP is no longer giving permission to have their retired vehicles restored or replicated. This created a big stir here in Calif." This is very old news. The CHP has in fact not been giving private individuals sanction on restorations for many years now. "There was also word going around that if an on duty CHP officer was at an event ( parade , car show, safety fair etc.) he or she has the power to cite or impound the vehicle, if the owner could not produce documentation showing that CHP sanctioned the vehicle restoration or replication." Any LE officer in CA, not just CHP, has the power to investigate any vehicle that appears to be out of compliance with any of the existing CA vehicle codes surrounding emergency vehicles and related equipment and they can do it anytime, not just at an event. I know this firsthand as I've been pulled over on the highway in my sanctioned restoration on several occasions. To date, I haven't heard of or witnessed any systematic crackdowns by the CHP at events or even on the road for that matter. So far, as long as hobbists have been following the generally accepted methods of keeping in compliance with the CVC (covering lights & decals, displaying appropriate "not in service" signage, etc) and in general keeping a low profile, there has not been any major problem out here. "They have even clamped down on the companies that replicate the vehicle emblems from what I was told." Sounds like an unfounded rumor to me. ___________________ |
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so is this a letter you keep in the glove box? show us what you got! |
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Before I responded to this I went to my local CHP office today and asked the sargent about this Rumor. The sargent said that as long as the car is not driven on any public roads you can do anything you wish to replacate any police vechicle. My car will be restored to in service look so I did not go into the laws re driving your cars to a show etc etc. I just wanted everyone to know that it is pure BS that your car can be impounded for looking like a CHP car.
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I'd rather avoid the scrutiny and just trailer to the shows. Problem solved. :yes:
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But what if.... never mind. http://www.hmc-china.com/images/SpeakNoEvil.jpg |
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I think there is a simple fix to this problem.
If you live in Ca and your car is restored to in service look. TRAILER IT! If you live in Ca and your car is back to a civilian paint job and all li ghts/emblems are covered. DRIVE IT! I just dont know why you would want to even risk getting pulled over with a in service looking CHP car. I think that the $53.00 for a 24 hour U haul car trailer is worth the money. Money well spent in my mind. What do you think ? |
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Last time I trailered, it was an Expedition courtesy of a popular rental car agency and a rented trailer. I'm in the process of buying a truck now, though. |
will you have a emergency beacon on the roof of your truck?
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No push bumpers or spotlights, either. :shrug: |
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I have never been pulled over at a car show so the assumption is that you were driving on a public California road and i can only assume when pulled over that the officer could not see the decal (if it were covered over).....so were you driving the car with the Decals NOT covered over? on a public California road?? |
Mike is pretty careful about that, so I doubt it.
Letter sure would be a great thing to have at a show when they are uncovered, though (at least in CA). |
Officer! I only had my lights and siren on for 5 minutes! WHY ARE YOU PULLING ME OVER.!!:stiritup: :stiritup:
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:2thumbs: Is this thread Rumor or.......................Humor ????:goodpost:LOL LOL
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There is usually never a problem in areas where I've done events with the CHP and me and my car are known. But it's a big state and there are plenty of officers, esp. the younger ones, who are not very aware of the decal agreements and are of course very curious about the cars themselves. Besides showing my CHP agreement, I also give them a couple copies of a fact sheet I did up about SSP Mustangs and the history of my car that help satisfy their curiosity....one for them to keep and one to give to their local POA with my contact info on it should they ever like to consider including my car in a future function or event. They really appreciate the information and I feel it helps legitmize the hobby and my part in it. |
Mike has an awesome car and was one of the lucky few to get a letter from CHP. In reality it's the best way to go!
I use an enclosed trailer for any marked car to a show as I don't want to have to worry about local LEO, hail, rain, dirt, branches, deer, cows, horses, bird crap, idiots talking on cell phones etc. |
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I still have all that at work....... I doubt they will let me drive an unmarked. Maybe if I get promoted to Captain? |
Mike.C
I think the what you should have said from the get-go is i have a letter from a the CHP allowing me to display CHP decals on my restoration....... basically common sense in writing when you use the term Sanctioned restoration it kinda cheapens everyone else's efforts and i know there is allot a nice chp/ssp cars around (not mine) Also the term sanctioned seems to give a ((CHP Approved)) status when in reality all were talking about here is a set of decals. why the secret Master switch? you play with the lights/siren or you don't or in my case you don't even connect them up. |
Let's take it easy Gentlemen. We are all HERE for the same reason.
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Just to add to what Mike C. said, it's been well over 5 years since CHP stopped giving permission for decals. When they were approving decal usage they would deny anyone out of state since there was no way for them to enforce their usage. Way back in the 90's CHP would even send you the decals with their approval letter. The offical line is this all changed after 9/11.
The California vehicle code states something to the effect that no vehicle built after 1/1/79 may be painted to resemble a police vehicle, so technically all SSPs are prohibited. There are exceptions for cars belonging to dealers, manufacturers and movie companies. There is no exception for privately owned collector cars. I'm lucky that like Mike I've had permission for my cars from way back so we would be allowed to have the cars painted and the decals and lights installed but covered while on the road. The only people who are approved now are CHP employees. The gray area is that CHP will invite restored cars to participate in their open houses, retirees days, etc and never ask if the cars are approved. Like most large agencies the right hand may not know what the left is doing. The new comissioner is more "old car friendly" but I don't see anyone changing the policy out of fear of liability. I both drive and trailer my cars and I've never been stopped. I've found passing Chippies will give a thumbs up and some even take pictures when I'm driving my '67 Oldsmobile. I haven't been stopped in my Mustang but the reaction is much more reserved, almost suspicious. I guess the difference is due to the Mustang looking like a much more modern car. Since I have written permission I'll continue to drive my cars (properly covered) to close shows and trailer to others but it would be a different story without permission. |
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A letter from CHP only authorizes decal usage...not for you to drive on a public road. I called CHP a couple of years ago, and they said then that they will only give permission to current CHP, retired CHP, and LEOs from other states. That may have changed since then, so who knows. I called the public relations office, and I'm sure you can google them and find it easily. |
Rich, I bet if you wrapped the doors in black you could drive all day the car. Even for months, then take the wrap off for a show. Bad part is you would need to continue to wrap and un-wrap the car if you wanted it as a daily driver as well. I know that is not your thing but maybe another could use this info.
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I have owned my 1985 CHP car for 23 years and I have all the documentation on my car since it was new. If anybody has any questions on 1985 CHP cars PLEASE feel free to emal me here and I will give you my phone number if you wish. Rich |
Rich I feel your pain just not as bad since I am in Florida. Wish I could help you.
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I never had a letter from them to own the decals as I live in Ohio. I would think that Mac88 could give you the info you need. Mike C are you out here? |
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