Someone needs to stop this now!
 

I couldn't look at the pics but I think it is Tom Tates car. I would have thought whoever bought it, would restore it. That sucks really bad!!!!!

Im really sick to my stomach...............

I agree with you 100%, but good luck over on that board. I got into it with "V8only" over there after he posted about buying a 1982 no-option, 106K original-mile coupe, and he then proceeded to post pics of he and his brother hacking up the car (read: pulling the original, unmolested motor/tranny and swapping in who-knows-what, while "giving" the original engine away).

Here is a link to the last thread, with a final footnote there from one of the Admins.
http://vb.foureyedpride.com/showthread.php?t=43037

Oh I read it and threw up.

That really sucks! I was hoping it was still April 1st and it was a sick joke. Hopefully the guy sells it and buys a 4 banger instead.:(

:( :confused: :eek: :(
I wish I had a car to trade him to hack up. People are so damn illiterate!!!!

maybe the new buyer wasn't briefed on the rarity of the car when he showed up with the all important, number one product..... $$$$$$$$$$$$$$

:rolleyes:

It looks that way, guys. He posted on FEP and looks like he's registering here, now. :)

I am the "illiterate" owner of this vehicle. Guess I may ruffle some feathers here....

I'm not going to hack it up. It won't find its way wrapped around a tree or face-planted into a retaining wall at a local track. It isn't going to find its way on concrete blocks behind a trailer. It also won't be a trailer queen...it will see regular street use and some weekend track time.

It will be semi-restored to its former glory, however no black/tan FHP color scheme since it will be a street driven vehicle. I've learned this car is a bit more rare than I had originally thought, so my ambitions may have to be toned down a bit. Anything I do to this car will be completely reversable (with probably the exception of weld-in subframe connectors...a foxbody necessity).

Alan,

Wynne was frustrated, like many of us get when we see one of these cars being destroyed, when he saw your post over there. I think "illiterate" may have been the wrong word to use, but I can certainly understand why he posted what he did.

Check out the FHP Agency Resto section and feel free to ask any questions here. That car is extremely rare and deserves to be restored. Maybe we can get you to change your mind a bit on your future plans with it, or find you a roller to use instead.

Welcome to the board.

as rare as that car is it needs to be restored. no sub frames welded in because with the stock motor that is the LAST thing the car needs. If you want a street/track car PLEASE buy a 4 banger and build away. I know several people that would be very interested in buying the FHP car from you at a profit to you if you would rather sell it than mod it.

the car is very rare.

welcome to the board.

NoDrama43 makes a good point about the sub-frame connectors. Mustang coupes have the stiffest chassis you can get from the factory. While they won't take a 400 horsepower engine, I think they can take a 175 horse one.

Hopefully this won't start any drama...but I need some help understanding this group. I'm curious why the general consensus of this site is completely against anyone doing anything but a purist restoration to one of these vehicles.

When done correctly, upgraded parts won't destroy the value or the collectability (if that is even a word) of the vehicle. Not that it would compare to an '84 Mustang, but take a look at your average HEMI Mopar up for sale/auction. Those with proper upgraded suspensions and mechanicals still sell well into the 6-figure range...so long as the majority of the car is still original. Despite the aftermarket upgrades these cars are highly sought after and considered a collectable.

For a more realistic comparison, take a look at the SVO community. The SVO is arguable the rarest Foxbody built (I had only one of 560-something in Oxford White built in 1986). When I was a part of it we embraced any owner who maintained the spirit of the SVO...whether it was through a purist restoration or building it to go fender-to-fender out on the track. So long as you weren't parting an SVO out for profit we all got along, because we were all working towards one goal: the preservation of the SVO. Curious why that isn't the case here....why can't one preserve an SSP and still have fun with it?

I understand everyone is entitled to an opinion, but the attitude I'm getting here is a bit on the extreme side. The way you talked about me in this thread you'd think I were planning to back half the car and throw a big block under the hood.

Some members don't want you to change anything on the car. Some also don't care what you do, I' am one of them. But when you have a car as original as the 84 FHP you have. You would be better off buying a roller to make a open track car out of it. It seems like you don't plan on changing much to the car now. Since you have been informed of the rarity of the car. It is also hard to find any SSP with the kind of documentation your car came with. It is your car and you can do what you want to it. Also don't let some of the members here, get to you.

Alan,

We're not here to bash anyone who doesn't agree with what we are about, and opinions on cars are as diverse as the membership here is. We as SSP collectors are fanatical about these cars, and I personally hate to see one modded and abused. Multiply that feeling times about 100 with the car you have. Florida only ordered 50 in 1984, and I only know of 2 others (possibly three). That's not to say that more aren't out there, but none others exist that are in the collector circles that we frequent. With that said, I personally have no problem with an SSP that is modded. There are plenty of cars that are missing the original drivetrains, were wrecked and rebuilt, drag-raced when they came out of service, etc. etc. I even thought about buying one that had already been modded to use as a daily driver. I guess what I'm saying is that your car, much like any other 4-eyed SSP, is rare and deserves to be properly restored. ANY pre-87 SSP is fairly rare, but the '82-'84 cars are even moreso.

That was the point I was trying to make over on FEP. That guy took an original, SURVIVOR (much like your FHP car) and ripped out the drivetrain. That car made it 25 years without being messed with, and no one over there blinked an eye about it. If he would have posted that he was doing an aero-conversion, he probably would have been banned. I guess I really don't understand how preserving the outward appearance of the car is actually preserving the car.

There are plenty of fox-body cars to mod....rare, original, unmolested cars, IMHO, aren't the ones to do it with.

the car is super rare and in excellent condition. It deserves to be restored.

With regard to these cars and originality. Jim and Mike are on a mission from God!
they saved me alittle over a year ago and for that I am forever grateful!
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but Hey....don't let my post influence your decision?

illiterate (adj.) Ignorant of the fundamentals of a given art or branch of knowledge: musically illiterate, mathmaticly illiterate.

Alan, Im illiterate as far as electricity. I know nothing about it.
I wasnt being disrespectful, I was floored by your initial intent. I have an 85 CHP that was hacked to hell when I bought it so I did research and found out everything I could about the car. I am not going to restore it to original but I will maintain the essence of the car. I bet if you would get the guys here to run some numbers, just beside the SSP fact, I bet that car is as rare as they come. Just do us all a favor, think about it. There is a million cars you could have fun with and not take another car away from our hobby.

Like they say on XM radio....."if you lived it, you understand it!". Case in point. On the recent Barrett-Jackson FLA. auction, notice how much more value was held and perceived on the "numbers matching" cars. What more can I say? Pure is just that. Our credo.

I may entertain the thought of selling the car after a bit of a clean-up. Needs some TLC under the hood and I think the paint may still be good enough to be buffed to a shine.

Let us know how much your are looking to get for it. I 'am sure somebody will take it off your hands.

Alan,

I will buy the car from you the way it is right now without you doing anything else to it.

pm me your phone number or call me at 513 520hyphen3335. (cell)

thanks
Jim

Now knowing just how rare this car is, particularly for the condition it is in...it would have to make it somewhere in the neighborhood of $6k to be worth my while to sell it now. Otherwise I'll probably hang onto it and slowly restore it just to sell it for a whole lot more down the road.

That is a little too much for me. You probably need to talk to Jim Young (NoDrama43). If not him, somebody else might want it.

Didn't you just buy it for $3500 (or less)?

What he said.

Jim would probably offer you something in the neighborhood of 4K, which is a fair price. 6K is a bit extreme, especially considering what you just paid for it.

i am not interested at 6k. Good luck with the restoration.

I am having trouble keeping my mouth shut..... but I will.

Ditto!:exactly:

Lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

G G G

I knew that was coming sooner or later.

Anyone that didn't see that coming needs an eye exam. Doug

So what are you all implying?

I come in here as a new member and you guys jump down my throat for anything less than a full restoration (technically, you jumped down my throat before I was even a registered member). You convince me this is quite a rare pony, it will be worth tons of money, don't touch a thing, etc etc. Then you state I should think about selling it if I want a track car AND that there are members here who will buy it.

So instead of "hacking" this car apart, I decide to do the right thing and see if a buyer wants to take this off my hands. Do you honestly think I wouldn't ask top dollar for the car?

I didn't join this site to sell this car.

There is nothing wrong with wanting to make a little bit of money off the car. But selling it for almost twice what you paid for it, is not right in my opinion. Maybe $4000, but $6000 when paid around $3500 just isn't right.

You have a buyer that was willing to pay you 4K for it as is and that is about what it is worth at the time being. If the car were properly restored then that is another story. No one is trying to dump on you at all. We would rather see this car restored as it is in all one piece now and would make a perfect restore. The car is all numbers matching and that is very hard to find now. All anyone is trying to tell you is that the car should be restored as there were 50 of them originally sold to FHP.

I wish you the best of luck. Just don't think that the car the way it sits will bring 6K t won't.

First thing junior.......you got ripped when people read your BS on 4EP about hacking the car. Here at OUR site (unlike 4EP) when people talk about hacking an ssp they get there eyes gouged out.....so if you want to hack an ssp get used to people here "jumping down your throat".

If you recognize the car is rare and deserves to be restored then great, we have accomplished something. Yes the car will be worth tons of money, after you spend another 5 to 8 k on it getting the car finished.

I think you bought the car cheap, threatened to hack it up on 4EP which got our attention, then joined the site, then dangled the car in front of us as possibly being for sale, then greed got the best of you. Top dollar for your car now is 5 k depending on the condition. I offered to buy your car and waited for you to call, (you didn't). 6500.00 is more than the car is worth, ESPECIALLY now.

You are not the first person to claim to be "doing the right thing" as you try to make a huge profit on something because you know people here will be interested. We have been there and done that. Ultimately the car is yours and you can do what you want with it. If you choose to hack it don't expect any support from anyone here. If you choose to sell it hopefully you can find a buyer that will preserve the car.

Amen Jim! We are the people that know the value of these cars. Does he honestly think anyone outside the group that could give a !@#$ about SSP's would actually give him the 6k he now wants? Going back a few posts, ignorant seems to fit. Move on big fella. Don't come in to our ballpark and tell us how to play the game! I know that this is not the best way to make friends, but you should learn that we do things for each other for the preservation of the SSP Mustang. Crapping on each other is not one of them. This kind of !@#$%&^%# just gets me steamed. Here is some tissue.