1993 FHP on E-BAY
 

Found this, anyone know of the car?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ford-...=p4506.c0.m245

Sure don't see many like this one any more. Looks pretty unmolested, and the seller even has the original title with unit number and troop handwritten on it. Not sure where those tires came from, but it looks like a nice car.

if it is an all black unmarked car with a five speed then it is really rare. I wonder why he didn't post up a picture of the door tag? Be nice to see the paint codes and transmission numbers.

I emailed him for the door tag. I think it was a marked car (probably "hard-marked"). :bouncy:

It definitely had a spotlight. Hard Marked I had forgotten about that one. 93k for $12 grand, My '93 has 88k miles and I would probably ask around that if I was to sell it. Bottom line it's what someone is willing to pay.

I agree...my car has 87K on it. :)

He doesn't have a pic of the door tag....it wasn't on the car when he bought it.

I think it was a marked car, if you look at the pic of the trunk it looks like what appears to be some "lighter" paint showing.:shrug:

Looks good to me. Tons of good pics.

Ok... I do know this car. I was at the auction it sold at in Orlando in '99. It was the first Mustang sold that day, Lot #27, and it sold for $4750. Chip from the Mustang Group in S. Fla bought it. He actually bought a bunch that day.

My notes from that day: front repaint? A/C not cold, runs ok, fuel pump loud, replaced drivers door.

The current owner purchased it from Chip after it was totally gone through. It's a nice car. I'd like to see a Carfax on it to see what happened, though.

Was it a marked unit? I remember the Mustang group from down here. I don't think they're around any more.

Yep...it was marked. It looks like they did a nice repaint at TMG before they sold it. I haven't been down there since 2000 or 2001, but Chip is still around somewhere.

One more bit of misinformation to clarify:

Some of the cars had writing on the radiator/core support areas. I can't remember ever seeing this at the auctions I attended, but I know a few people have posted pics of them and others have claimed it was Troop/Unit numbers written on them. Here is a closer pic of the writing on #569, which was a Troop C car (it was stationed in Lakeland, BTW).

Yep, front accident.

Below are the historical events for this vehicle listed in chronological order. Any discrepancies will be in bold text.
Report Run Date: 2008-09-06 23:17:38.647 EDT
Vehicle: 1993 Ford Mustang LX (1FACP40E1PF147226)
Event date Location Odometer reading Data Source Details
02/17/1993 FL Independent Source VEHICLE MANUFACTURED AND SHIPPED TO DEALER
06/02/1993 TALLAHASSEE, FL 5 Motor Vehicle Dept. ODOMETER READING FROM DMV
06/02/1993 TALLAHASSEE, FL Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
10/06/1993 FL State Agency FRONT IMPACT WITH ANOTHER VEHICLE (Case #:303580830)
01/26/1995 FL 29,000 Motor Vehicle Dept. PASSED EMISSION INSPECTION
02/27/1996 FL 47,000 Motor Vehicle Dept. PASSED EMISSION INSPECTION
03/11/1997 FL 64,000 Motor Vehicle Dept. PASSED EMISSION INSPECTION
03/01/2006 CUMMING, GA 93,336 Independent Emission Source PASSED EMISSION INSPECTION

hard-marked

I guess I missed something....

Is there anyway to get the accident details from the case number? Its hard to determine if the car is worth bidding on without it.

Yes, if the DHSMV number in the record above is correct, you can get a copy of the report.

Charlie,

One more thought....if you are considering bidding or making him an offer. This car had 92,280 miles on it when it was sold at auction. So...it's had about 1K miles put on it since then. If TMG hadn't painted it, it'd look much like my unrestored '93. It still has the original dash, the original holes in the console for the siren, and I'm sure lots of other good stuff.

You just don't see many cars like this one anymore.

Charlie you can still get a copy of the crash report. I was able to get one last year for my 87 FHP that was crashed in service in 1988. I was able to determine the unit number and severity of the damage plus get the name of the trooper driving it so it is a great piece of documentation to have.

I'll say. Apparently we now have a "points system" for valuation of price/desirability of the SSP cars.

http://www.sspmustang.org/forums/sho...?t=6890&page=2
(the fun starts at post #13) :takenotes:

There hasn't been any talk of this car being overpriced here, but if you think it is, try and find another car that saw service with this agency that has less than 100K original miles on it (and hasn't been hacked up).

That's some funny stuff right there! Your Colorado car has less "points" than a marked CHP.:No no: My UHP car only has 3 points... Hey Jim I want a refund.:screwy:

It is pretty funny....it's just a plain-old, "monotone" marked car (1 of 6). :doh:

took me awhile to get up on this soapbox but I made it so here is my take........


There are two schools of thought as far as I am concerned. One for the person that just buys a car to flip for profit and one for the person that is buying the car to keep, restore and drive or show.

If you are just buying the car to flip and make a buck then naturally it would be important to you to try and buy the "best selling" cars. An example of this would be buying five speed cars as without a doubt they generally sell quicker. Low ball offers that offend people are commonplace with car flippers because "how much money can I make" is always the most important aspect considered.

My theory of poularity as it pertains to the FHP, CHP, and TXDPS cars is simply because they are everywhere ,easy to find, and pop up for sale monthly. Restoration information is readily available (thanks to Imevil) and there is a huge information base from other owners. Being from rust-free states also makes them popular. Personaly I think a black and tan FHP car with black wheels and tan interior is as good as it gets, therefore I have one.

Speaking of my cars I have always said that I would like to have a collection of marked state agency cars but along the way I have found some very rare cars which to me makes the collection that much more interesting. Naturally my choices are just that, my choices, and others may not be interested in some of my cars. That is ok since none of them are for sale although just last month I recieved an offer on one of my cars that was 8000.00 over what I had in the car. I will not tell you which car, but it wasn't one of the FHP, CHP, or TXDPS cars. I was tempted because it was a lot of money (to me anyway) but the money couldn't outweigh the rarity of the car and what it will be worth in another ten years.

Find another 89 Michigan car, a New York car, or a dark blue 1984 unmarked WSP car, an 83 Colorado car, an 86 Fire Chiefs car, an 84 North Carolina car, 83 GSP, ANYTHING from Montana, Wisconsin, Alabama, and on and on and on. IMO ANY 4-eyed SSP car would have a higher "point value" than an 87-93 car, simply because there are fewer of them that survived. I assure you that in the coming years the "rare" (meaning fewest number of) cars will bring more money (like quality comparisons). If the cars are identical in quality, the 1988 New York car will ALWAYS be valued higher than the 1988 FHP or CHP car, regardless of transmission type or paint specs. The 1986 Utah car will always be valued higher than the 1986 FHP car.....at least to me anyway. The main point everyone needs to realize is that all that really matters is how important it is to the person that is buying it. Hell I have refused to even look at some cars being sold just because I know the seller is a flipper looking to gouge whomever they can. To me there are many different issues that affect the desirability of the car.

The bottom line is all that matters is that when YOU buy the car it is interesting to you. I, like everyone else, have certain "qualities" in cars that appeal to me. I want cars that not everyone else has. I personally do not like showing up at a car show (like the 40th anniversary show) with a car that is identical to 7 other cars. That is why my collection is an assortment of stuff that others do not have. I have not rated my cars with a points system because I already know that all my cars will be a "10" when they are finished.

Frankly how I feel about it is all that matters.

I'm the one that kinda got all this discussion really going on .org as "I" was the first one who actually thought the car was not overpriced at the buy it now price based upon what could be "seen" in the pictures and the information.

It would be really nice if someone from the board was interested in the car and made an effort to go look at the car. Given the cost of restoration and the "appearance" of this car as car as presented in the auction with actually looking at the car, I still stand by my opinion that "I" think the car is not overpriced!

Mike,

"We" can read and already know that "you" were involved in the discussion there. I don't think anyone "here" said that the car was overpriced. ;)

Seriously though, I hope it goes to a good home.

Jim made some good points....a car is worth what someone is willing to pay, and we all have our individual reasons why a particular car appeals to us, whether it's option content, agency, or something more personal.

Mike,

I realize that nobody here at .net said the car was overpriced and that was not my intention to indicate that anyone on .net did say it was high. It seems to me that most everyone on .net "may" share my opinion on the cars BIN price.

My original and subsequent posts on .org were to "learn" why I was the only one on that board who thought the car had a reasonable BIN on Ebay when the other posters thought the BIN was high.

It's OK, Mike...all in fun here.

You know what they say about opinions....

I wasn't aware anyone had said the car was overpriced.......I don't fly .org so I guess I missed it.

werd :rock:

Great thing about living in America! EVERYONE is entitled to there OPINION. Dont bash on somebody just for expressing it! My 2 cents worth....

I think "steep" was the word first used. There was talk of a replacement dash (this car has the original), FHP re-paint (FHP didn't re-paint anything in the '90s that I ever saw), etc. etc. etc.

The original "points"-post has now been edited, also.

Bottom line: It's a 93K original-mile FHP car. I can't remember the last time I saw an FHP car for sale that was as original as this one appears to be (with this kind of mileage).

Who is bashing on somebody?

Davids Opinion......

I personally find David's post (Last edited by DJP55 : Today at 08:18 PM.) humorous. If you feel that this was "bashing" then I'm sorry you feel that way. Like you said, this is America and we all have our opinions.

I deleted the triple post, so my apologies if the one above wasn't the one you meant to post.

The problem with people expressing an opinion is someone else might have their own opinion that doesn't necessarily agree with yours. Disagreeing is not bashing. In MY OPINION.

Computer illiterate.....Thanks for cleaning it up...Neil

No prob...it's not supposed to do that, but it sure did.

Me having three thumbs on one hand does not help!!!

I think the details of the accident the car had would be the key to determine its correct price today. The seller hasn't mentioned this event in his listing. Dont you all think he should? Charlie

As mentioned earlier, the fact that the car had an accident is good since this will allow the owner or purchaser to research the car and potentially get the unit number and officer that drove the car. Of course the severity of the accident is also a concern. Most of these cars had some sort of damage or enjoyed off road excursions through the median.

The unit number for this car has been posted in this thread already, Mike. :yes:

I agree with pulling the report....be nice to see how bad the damage really was.

Most definitely (if he knows about it).