1993 SSP
 

Once again:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ford-...spagenameZWDVW

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I think if it was black it would have done better??

I think if it hadn't been bought and sold back and forth between 50 dealers 50 times, it would be doing better. :)

(I'm partial to the silver coupes....I have one that I bought new in 1993.)

This is another one that someone needs to save. Not the typical "this car is going to be crushed if I don't save it" save, more like a "keep this car out of the hands of dealers and speculators who keep flippping it back and forth, jacking up the price" kinda save.

I've sold a few here and there, so don't get me wrong....but this sure was more fun before the people just looking to make money started showing up.

+1 by the time the flippers are finished with it.:No no:

Agreed! But the car will sell for whatever the market will allow. Although flippers will sell an SSP to whoever shows up with a suitcase full of cash, at least the higher the price goes, the less likely it is that the car will end up being sold to somebody just looking for a notchback to turn into a race car.

While we're on the subject:

http://www.sspmustang.org/forums/showthread.php?t=7909

"They" in the post above is me, in case anyone was confused by what was posted there. I'd hate to think that DJP (a dealer) was trying to imply that the comments were made by anyone else other than me.

As for the flippers v/s dealers, is there a difference between them? Both are selling cars in order to make money. I don't agree with gouging people, but there will always be someone out there willing to pay for something that they really want, whatever the price is.

I've made my opinion on this well known. I don't have a problem with someone making a profit, it's when a car is flipped so many times it (I think 5 in this case) it puts these cars out of reach for the "regular" guy who just wants to own one. This particular car is special and I think some people bought it just to say that they owned it. If the present owner is losing money he has 2 choices- keep it or lose the money. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. As far as someone making it into a racecar I think that point has passed as most Mustang enthusiasts know the value of the SSP and would rather take a 4 cyl car and make it into a racecar\SSP clone. My .02

The best thing to do with "fishing expeditions" like this is not to even bid. The car is not seriously for sale and the owner should put it up with no reserve or not post it. It just jerks everybody around. My 2 cs

True...but not always.

Look what happened to this '82 coupe. While not an SSP, it is a pretty nice car that's about to be turned into a race car.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...m=130298412315

http://vb.foureyedpride.com/showthread.php?t=74336

I'm sure that DJP (the dealer that sold it), had no idea it was going to be raced out. However, I guess that's the risk you take when you buy and sell cars as much as he does.

You really don't think it's for sale? I think it is. It's like the over-inflated housing market right now, and the current seller is the one holding the bag. I think the reserve is price protection for the seller.

As a seller of any vehicle, dealer or individual, if you offer a vehicle publicly for sale and a ready and willing buyer presents himself/herself to buy the car and agree's pay the asking or auction bid price, you legally must sell the car to said buyer no matter what their intention is to do with the car. There is no risk here, that's just the reality of selling a car.

To not sell the car to the buyer for personal reasons that you do not like the buyer or do not like what the buyer will do with the car is discrimination and you can be prosecuted for this crime!

While all of us want any and all SSP Mustangs or collector cars we sell to go to an interested and responsible buyer, after the deal is done it is the buyers car to do with it as they wish. You, the seller may not like or may not want to sell the car after you find out who the buyer is but that's life and the law!

If anyone on this site was wanting to build an 82 Mustang race and went to look at a car like this, would you tell the seller that you want to buy the car and cut it up to make a race car out of it when you were standing there looking at the car or bidding on the car? I didn't think so!

On another note, it is much easier and cheaper to build a nice race car out of a nice car to start with. If I were wanting to build an 82 Mustang race car I also would have purchased this car to start my build.

Mike,

The point here is that even though a higher price was supposedly paid for the car, it is ended up being hacked up. Did you not read the thread I linked from 4 eyed pride?

If you sell enough cars, sooner or later something like this is bound to happen to you.

Off topic as it is, since you brought it up, I'd like to see a statute (any statute, State or Federal) that says that a seller has to sell anything to anyone.

I've been in law enforcement for 18+ years and we call that a civil issue; not something that you can be "prosecuted" for (ie. criminal). Of course, I could be wrong, so I'll wait to see what you come up with to back that up.

While it's nice to start out with a clean car for a project. If you are going to be removing most of the parts, that have no resale value you are wasting your money. Not to mention the huge outlay of cash you paid for the car. Doesn't make a bit of sense. But that's me. What the guy is doing can be done with a $500 roller. But instead using a $5k to $6k low mile car.

That's a crock of DOO DOO! If you come to my house to buy my car and tell me you're going to strip it and make it into a monster truck I will tell you it's NOT for sale. If you don't care what happens to the car once you get your cash then go for it. Don't cop out and say you are "Legally" bound to sell that car once it's publicly offered for sale. Please. That's the difference between a dealer and an enthusiast. Where's the Motrin...

I hereby nominate this for post of the month! :cheers:

Although I didn't read the entire thread on 4EP, it's a shame he decided to race it out like that.

ok..I will weigh in here. I put my car up for sale for 10k. You show up with 10k cash and say I want to buy it, however I don't like the way your breath smells so I say naw.....I think I will keep it. so anyway....get the hell out of my driveway and oh yea.....sue me if you think I HAVE to sell it to you.

However.....in Ohio if you don't signal...(i.e blow your horn etc) before backing up now that BY GOD is something I CAN prosecute you for.....

WTF ????????????

Maybe a DEALER might have to sell......I don't know, nor do I care since I am not a dealer. The toolbox trashed an 82 coupe to race which is his decision to make. As for the 8k mile coupe the last three or four owners have been dealers. They buy cars to make money that is how they pay their bills. The 8k car has never been in service, it is NOT a SCHP car. not anywhere close, just a car with an ssp package that was never put in service or owned by a police agency. I would rather have one with 200k miles that walked the walk.

I havn't read the thread on herewegoagainorg and personally I can see no positive reason for doing so. also I am out of vicoden and jim beam. :D

Well said, anyone who even considers cutting up a car like this is a TOOL!!!!:No no:

Exactly (and I didn't mention any names in my original post, either).

It's just another example of a car being sold back and forth multiple times, and it's funny how the same people (dealers) are always involved.

I don't have a problem with dealers making money or earning a living, either; we all have to somehow. Just don't try to piss in our ears and tell us it's raining.

First, regarding the '82, I give a lot of people credit over on the 4EP site... many expressed their opinions on how they would preserve this car, not make it "unstock", but once it is the new owner's car, it is theirs.

I just sold my '88 GT convertible a little while ago and I'm glad and sad. Glad because it went to a Mustang home, but sad that it getting a new custom treatment that I probably wouldn't like to have on a car I own myself. Needless to say, I got what I wanted out of the car, gave the new owner a good deal, and still made a good profit. I got what I wanted, he got what he wanted, and we were both happy. I'm sure David would not like to see his '82 dismantled, but I'm certain he understands why it is going to be and respects it.

As far as legal mumble-jumble (and please correct me if I'm wrong), I was taught that in general (no mention of individual state laws), If you have a price of $5K advertised and you agree to buy it for $5K, you are legally in a contract (verbal or written, dealer or private). Dealer "has to" follow certain things versus private has more "flex" room (which is why people can get away with not selling a car for a particular reason, right, wrong, or indifferent). Now if you advertise $5K and someone offers you $4K, than it is considered a counter-offer on the original offer. You can accept with the same terms or decline. If you want to get $4.5K, and you "submit" (not counter-offer) a new price of $4.5K to the potential buyer, you are entering a new contract, legally allowing you to change part or all of the original contract before presenting it to the potential buyer.

Now to protect yourself, you could advertise it for $10K, tell all the smelly-breath people you are firm, but if you find someone you like, tell them it is $5K. Every interested party who doesn't counter-offer from the original $10K contract, you make out like a bandit. The second a potential buyer counter-offers and you decline, you legally are making a new contract! I will admit that when people ask me how much I would sell my TX DPS for, I say $50K with a big smile! Why? I just don't want to sell it, but they asked! Now if I could only find the right smelly-breath person! (And yes, I love the smelly-breath example)!

Example:
When I sold my '88 GT, I wanted $X amount for it as-is with new wheels and tires. The new owner made me a counter offer of $Y amount. I declined. I "submitted" a new contract opportunity with him by stating that he could have it for $Y amount if he brought his own wheels and tires. He agreed and purchased the car. The first contract was voided, the second one was completed. While he was looking at the car, I told him that if he didn't buy it, I wasn't going to sell it. I'd sell one of my others instead, since it was a fun car! But since he was there, I didn't bail out of the initial offer. I thought it was ethical to go through with the offer and not have him drive up for nothing!

I think ethics are a big part in completing a successful sale. If you give the "my dog ate my homework" approach to not sell a car, it might work, but it is not ethical, and people remember that. Sorry for preaching the ethics approach, but if you say you are going to do something, do it. Don't bail out at the last moment "just because". Word of mouth is the fastest, most effective, and cheapest way to market. You might think that by selling a car, you are marketing and advertising it to interested parties, but in an essence, you are also marketing yourself. People will remember that!

My 2c. Sorry, I get long-winded every-so-often, more-often than not!

uhhh....there is nothing "unethical" about changing your mind and deciding you don't want to sell your car. If I am selling a car and the potential buyer has cash in hand and tells me he is dropping an LS1 in it I can assure you he won't be buying the car.

and the reason I would say to him for deciding not to sell it to HIM SPECIFICALLY is because I don't want the car to end up like that. Everyone needs to stop trying to make excuses as to whyyyyyy the dealers keep flipping this car. It is about the $$$$.

This car needs a good home but the price is so far out of wack now that I doubt it ever happens.

This is what I meant when I said the car is not SERIOUSLY for sale. The seller may not see that yet. The 91 Santa Clara IS a car seriously for sale, get it?

Ah yes! You had a much simpler way of putting it now that I got it!

Also, as far as ethical or not, what I mean is that it is unethical to not sell someone a car "just because" of a person having purple hair, green teeth, etc... That is about the person. When it comes to about the car (i.e. turn it into a ricer), than I would object to the sale as well if the car meant a lot to me. I've made out quite well buying Mustangs from people who are certain that I want to keep the car to a stock standard. That's what I was trying to get at... sorry for it being late last night and I might not have been as clear as I would have liked to have been!

I see your points.

This part of the thread was derailed and sent down the whole selling debate path by VintageRacer (Mike) who attempted to post that it was a crime to refuse to sell a car to someone.

Unethical or not, it's not a crime, and we try to keep the misinformation and internet attorney talk to a minimum around here. Really, it's all about cutting through the BS and calling it what it is, too.

I really hope it doesn't end up turning into what Joe (BHPD) mentioned yesterday, where the average enthusiast (read: not car dealer, nor flipper, but someone who truly loves these cars) is priced out of the hobby by those using it for business purposes.

I'll keep my mouth shut from now on!

Goodbye!

bye Mike

Sorry you feel that way, Mike. Take care.

Wow, this thread sure went to shit in a hurry.

It was like watching a train wreck about to happen off in the distance and nothing could be done to stop it.:stirpot:

Car still sits at $20,600 with one day left.

In an effort to keep the thread on-topic, ;) this quote was taken directly from the eBay ad -

To me, it's the stories of these car while in-service that give the SSP's their unique character and value. Although this car is a fine original example of a Fox Mustang, it has no story to tell.

AMEN Brother!!!:exactly:

As I thought, no one is going to pay his rip-off price. 20K is very fair offer, a real seller would be pleased, this shows that they are not interested in selling anyway.

20k is a fair price for what the car is. IMO

He wount sell for 20K because he bought it for 27K. I can double check this information later but if my memory serves me right, that was the last sell price.

"a fool and his money......"

As I see it, a SSP that was never in service and never titled by a state or department it's could never be sold as a SSP from any particular state agency or department. It is a Bastard SSP and should be no different (In price) than a civilian coupe.

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Someone is holding it.

http://www.dreamstime.com/hand-holdi...humb461040.jpg Bad bag to be left holding...:sorry:

Back in Nov of 2007 the same seller had the bidding up to $27,766.00 when the auction ended with reserve not met. The auction number was 150179424922