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Bullitt1609 08-27-2015 09:56 AM

1993 CHP and 1993 FHP being flipped
 
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Just passing along. Flippers are at it again. Here are a couple members' cars being resold

Quoting ad:
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1993 SSP MUSTANG FOR SALE $45,000

Restoring Mustang SSPs have become a growing hobby as of late, with car clubs and websites devoted to the restoration of the law enforcement workhorse. Most enthusiasts strive for accuracy in their models, with many scouring for OEM parts, including police radios, shotgun holders, lights, sirens, and other related equipment. Locating authentic service equipment is typically the toughest and most time-consuming aspect of restoring an SSP to its in-service condition. That's where homework and linking with fellow SSP enthusiasts proves invaluable. Mustang SSP values are strong, compared to other Fox-body Mustangs and should continue to strengthen in the coming years. This is one of the finest examples of a restored in srevice SSP Mustang's there is. As the 1980s dawned, the California Highway Patrol (CHP) approached Ford about producing a pursuit-special Mustang: A lightweight, compact and -- for the time -- powerful alternative to the laggard full-size Mopars. (The agency experimented with a few 1979 Camaro Z28-based pursuit cars, but their engines didn't hold up under strain.) As performance enthusiasts would soon discover, a potent 5.0-liter engine in the lightweight, rigid Fox-body "notchback" body delivered terrific performance. The CHP ordered about 400 in 1982 and the Mustang SSP (Special Service Package) was born. The SSP abbreviation means Special Service Package , a special Foxbody Mustang trim made exclusively for law enforcement use. One of the taglines used by Ford to help sell this car was This Ford chases Porches for a living. The Mustang SSP was essentially a more rugged version of the 5.0 Mustang, with added features (some standard, some optional) not available to the general public. Some of the additional features were:
Engine oil cooler
Silicone radiator hoses and aircraft-style clamps
Transmission fluid cooler
130 and 135 amp internally and externally regulated heavy duty alternators
Relocated rear deck release
Single key locking doors/trunk
Reinforced floor pans
Full size spare tire


1993 SSP MUSTANG FOR SALE $25000

This Ford chases Porches for a living. The Mustang SSP was essentially a more rugged version of the 5.0 Mustang, with added features (some standard, some optional) not available to the general public. Some of the additional features were:
Engine oil cooler
Silicone radiator hoses and aircraft-style clamps
Transmission fluid cooler
130 and 135 amp internally and externally regulated heavy duty alternators
Relocated rear deck release
Single key locking doors/trunk
Reinforced floor pans
Full size spare tire

http://www.luxurygolfcarts.com/cars_for_sale1

stubes 08-27-2015 10:00 AM

Don't know whether to laugh or shake my head.
Guess I should be proud the car I redid has a 45k asking price 😂
So much for the museum!

Bullitt1609 08-27-2015 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by stubes (Post 50931)
Don't know whether to laugh or shake my head.
Guess I should be proud the car I redid has a 45k asking price 😂
So much for the museum!

I'm right there with you!

28HopUp 08-27-2015 11:29 AM

WOW!!! That's crazy... :headscratch:

Rhino 08-27-2015 08:10 PM

Same guy that used the same tactic with my friend, Buddy, to buy his 88 PCSD car. Claimed a museum....then whammo - up for sale at almost 3 times the purchase price.

I have a feeling he will be stuck with these for quite some time. :)

SCTrooper2000 08-27-2015 10:08 PM

If someone is crazy enough to pay that much then so be it. I just hate it when those bloated prices cause the rest of us to pay more than a car is worth. I've been into air-cooled VW's for over twenty years now, and the prices for a rusted out beetle is ridiculous. I hope the SSP hobby stays within my comfort zone for a while..

Andy 08-28-2015 12:43 AM

http://i58.tinypic.com/344dz6o.jpg

NoDrama43 08-29-2015 08:55 AM

I have seen the CHP car Russ restored. One of the best I have ever seen.

Everyone knows how I feel about the greedy gougers that flip cars and parts. The only interest they have is making money, it has nothing to do about the cars or the people that drove them in service, regardless of how interested they pretend to be. I have been farting around with these cars for 18 years now. Gougers have always been around, but in the last five years they have gotten more greedy and their asking prices reflect that. 45K.......lol. That is some mighty fine crack that idiot is smoking.....

The seller will keep both of these cars unless he can find some douche retired millionaire with more money than brains. Plenty of them out there that could buy them. Like hitting the lottery.

28HopUp 08-31-2015 11:14 AM

I agree with ya, Jim. I joined this forum in 2008, and even back then flippers were not anything new. This kinda stuff happens all the time, regardless of the type of collector car. I don't condone it, and I am glad that this forum is available to the masses as a resource of information to warn others of sellers trying to make a fast buck.

Reading the FB posts about these two cars, I see where some folks say they are getting out of the SSP hobby. That is their choice. Interests ebb and flow, much like anything else. If these cars no longer light your fire, then it is time to move onto something else. But SSP Mutangs will continue to have a following (albeit, a relatively small, dedicated group), and we have set up this site to be the go-to place for everyone to learn about the cars and enjoy each others' company online. The seasoned veterans will help the n00bs learn that there are no shortcuts to performing a quality SSP restoration. The SSP hobby will persevere through the efforts of the "old-timers" along with the new blood, and we will continue with our efforts at .NET to keep the SSP blue light flickering.

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kapracing 08-31-2015 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by 28HopUp (Post 50973)
I agree with ya, Jim. I joined this forum in 2008, and even back then flippers were not anything new. This kinda stuff happens all the time, regardless of the type of collector car. I don't condone it, and I am glad that this forum is available to the masses as a resource of information to warn others of sellers trying to make a fast buck.

Reading the FB posts about these two cars, I see where some folks say they are getting out of the SSP hobby. That is their choice. Interests ebb and flow, much like anything else. If these cars no longer light your fire, then it is time to move onto something else. But SSP Mutangs will continue to have a following (albeit, a relatively small, dedicated group), and we have set up this site to be the go-to place for everyone to learn about the cars and enjoy each others' company online. The seasoned veterans will help the n00bs learn that there are no shortcuts to performing a quality SSP restoration. The SSP hobby will persevere through the efforts of the "old-timers" along with the new blood, and we will continue with our efforts at .NET to keep the SSP blue light flickering.

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+1

Maybe its time for new blood anyway... I've been here since 07 and will be here for a long time to come " God willing"...

RARESSP 08-31-2015 06:32 PM

Hey I hopped in here a few years ago during my 93 resto and appreciate all the help and knowledge handed down...I have been in the Foxbody world since 91 and really enjoy these cars all of them...my 2 cents..

maxwedge5281 09-09-2015 11:49 AM

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i might even think of selling my 1991 twilight blue santa clara county sheriffs dept car for that kind of money! if either sell at or anywhere near those prices i owe david p a great big thank you for such a sweet deal!!!

28HopUp 10-07-2015 10:48 AM

FHP 198 is currently on CL for $19K, but it is now on ebay without a reserve -

http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/2014438...466&rmvSB=true

NoDrama43 10-07-2015 11:13 AM

I sent the seller a message asking if he knew it was crashed and rebuilt. I think there are some pictures around of the car when it got t-boned. Wasn't it totaled and the drivers side frame horn was bent?

someone refresh my memory.

NoDrama43 10-07-2015 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by maxwedge5281 (Post 51032)
i might even think of selling my 1991 twilight blue santa clara county sheriffs dept car for that kind of money! if either sell at or anywhere near those prices i owe david p a great big thank you for such a sweet deal!!!

I bought your car from SSP Gary in Canada and brought it back to the US years ago. I can confirm how great a job Gary did restoring that car. One of the nicest repaints I had seen at the time.

ImEvil1 10-07-2015 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by NoDrama43 (Post 51380)
I sent the seller a message asking if he knew it was crashed and rebuilt. I think there are some pictures around of the car when it got t-boned. Wasn't it totaled and the drivers side frame horn was bent?

someone refresh my memory.

Front collision. I don't think it was totaled, but it definitely got hurt.

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AutoCheck found 55 records for this 1993 Ford Mustang
I guess all of that buying and selling back and forth added up.

kapracing 10-07-2015 07:39 PM

If this is the same one I seen in Savannah, it had obviously been repair in the front and underhood color was not correct... Overall paint looked good though " If it is the same car";)

NoDrama43 10-07-2015 09:45 PM

I sent all the crash pictures to the seller. He asked me to send them. I wonder if he knew anything about it?

urustyone 10-07-2015 11:08 PM

What do you mean? "Perfect collector car. The car is perfect just like new." Per the ebay ad.

NoDrama43 10-08-2015 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by kapracing (Post 51386)
If this is the same one I seen in Savannah, it had obviously been repair in the front and underhood color was not correct... Overall paint looked good though " If it is the same car";)

In one of his auction photos, you can see the 198 on the license plate. He made a little boo boo there which makes it clear what car it is. I have not heard back from him reference the crash photos. I asked him if he knew it was crashed. If he did know and he is hiding it from potential buyers he is just another seedy care salesman out to make a buck. If he did not know it was wrecked then that is another story. I will post up his response if I get one.

TWOCARNUTS 10-08-2015 10:08 PM

Does that car have a crash history? ? I have a friend very interested in it.....

NoDrama43 10-09-2015 06:28 AM

yes...seriously crunched.

send me your email address and I can send you photos.

NoDrama43 10-09-2015 10:48 AM

now the seller is claiming to have a clean Carfax......

He hasn't responded to the pictures I sent him.

pictures are here:

http://www.specialservicemustang.net...&highlight=198

Judging by the bidding it looks like a previous owner is trying to buy the car back.

28HopUp 10-09-2015 02:27 PM

I am an Admin on two other Mustang forums, and one of the things I like about this place is that members cannot edit their post afterwards. It forces people to be mindful of what they write, and it preserves the information for later. I think it is helpful that the photos are still online from the prior damage to FHP198. Other SSP Mustangs have suffered more damage and been brought back to life, but it is nice that this information still exists for potential buyers to see.

TWOCARNUTS 10-09-2015 02:54 PM

Very helpful indeed!!.... Car listing has of now been removed.

TWOCARNUTS 10-09-2015 02:58 PM

Oops I made a mistake.....I received an email from eBay stating item no longer available but just checked and she's still active!!...sorry for my confusion. ...TECHNOLOGY ROCKS!!

NoDrama43 10-09-2015 03:54 PM

I think the car is pretty darn nice.....rare color...blah blah. however

when someone starts asking 20k for a car and doesn't disclose history then I don't have a problem disclosing it myself.

Maybe the seller was oblivious?
Maybe the seller knows and hoped for a quick sale?

judging by previous posts here the seller "claimed" these cars were going into a museum? Pretty clear he was lying about that.

ImEvil1 10-09-2015 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by 28HopUp (Post 51413)
I am an Admin on two other Mustang forums, and one of the things I like about this place is that members cannot edit their post afterwards. It forces people to be mindful of what they write, and it preserves the information for later. I think it is helpful that the photos are still online from the prior damage to FHP198. Other SSP Mustangs have suffered more damage and been brought back to life, but it is nice that this information still exists for potential buyers to see.

Exactly why I set it like that and we keep it that way. Significantly less problems, and it sure helps to be able to refer back.

MOstang 10-10-2015 11:12 AM

I'm glad posts are quickly locked and only an Admin can edit. Surprising to me more forums don't do this as well.

FlyinTiger 10-10-2015 10:28 PM

I never submitted an insurance claim to keep the car from being totaled. I knew they would, and that the car could be rebuilt for about $3000. We ate the back of a Tahoe that day. Should have never driven it to work. 😔. I would probably still have it. I love Reef Blue.

28HopUp 10-11-2015 11:38 AM

Donny, thanks for posting up the add'l info/history about the car. As was said before, it's good to get the facts out there for prospective buyers and subsequent owners.

NoDrama43 10-13-2015 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by FlyinTiger (Post 51444)
I never submitted an insurance claim to keep the car from being totaled. I knew they would, and that the car could be rebuilt for about $3000. We ate the back of a Tahoe that day. Should have never driven it to work. ��. I would probably still have it. I love Reef Blue.

You did the right thing by posting up the damage when you offered it for sale.

Looks like the seller's dream of 20k got cancelled. I shill think it is a shame it wasn't advertised properly.

FHP813 10-13-2015 08:07 PM

10K for an SSP with collision damage...you gotta love eBay.

NoDrama43 10-13-2015 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by FHP813 (Post 51504)
10K for an SSP with collision damage...you gotta love eBay.

Yeh....and the unscrupulous mop and glow mafia.

ImEvil1 10-13-2015 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by NoDrama43 (Post 51505)
Yeh....and the unscrupulous mop and glow mafia.

Shill out, guys. Everyone knows it's caveat emptor!

FlyinTiger 10-13-2015 09:34 PM

Many SSP's have had accident damage, at some point. Russ fixed it right, & it received a full repaint. A quality, cosmetically restored car should be $10-12k.

FHP813 10-13-2015 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by FlyinTiger (Post 51508)
Many SSP's have had accident damage, at some point. Russ fixed it right, & it received a full repaint. A quality, cosmetically restored car should be $10-12k.

That's fine as long as it's disclosed. Like Mike said caveat emptor.

NoDrama43 10-17-2015 08:49 AM

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ford-Mustang...m=201450251174

shilly me for thinking it really sold......back up. lol

ImEvil1 10-17-2015 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by NoDrama43 (Post 51576)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ford-Mustang...m=201450251174

shilly me for thinking it really sold......back up. lol

Nice...just like new.

28HopUp 01-11-2016 01:55 PM

The same seller in Florida has relisted the 93 FHP car on ebay -

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1993-Ford-Mu...25.m3641.l6368


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