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FoxChassis 10-03-2012 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 28HopUp (Post 36981)
Here is something really creative that one of our members has done in an effort to confirm CHP Mustangs. The following post was made by Aaron in a thread created by a new member who recently purchased a 1993 CHP Mustang -

I contacted Aaron, who has spent a great deal of time researching VINs and license plate numbers on the California Smog Certificate website:

http://www.bar.ca.gov/pubwebquery/ve...pubtstqry.aspx

It is VERY tedious to search and keep track of this information. Most of the searches turn up empty, but so far Aaron has been able to match the certificate numbers on five VINs to a specific license plate number, thus confirming the unit number for those cars. I grabbed screenshots of the information for those other four cars, and created the following pages in our project:

http://www.specialservicemustang.net...info111850.htm
http://www.specialservicemustang.net...info111854.htm
http://www.specialservicemustang.net...info111855.htm
http://www.specialservicemustang.net...info111856.htm

Thanks Aaron!!! Let us know if you can match any more... :)

Great....now you guys got me thinking about (actually already started on) another project. :D

Grabbing the test history for "known" (using the VIN Project) batches of CA vehicles is tedious work but I can do it and database the results. What I don't know how to do is come up with E plate numbers.

John10608 10-03-2012 01:45 PM

Another idea I'll try to work on if you want.

What if we started a list of all known CHP SSP plate numbers, we can add to it and I can make a few trips to the CHP Academy and Fleet Services and talk to the CHP photographer and go through and see how many photos I can come up with of the actual unit numbers we have on our list.

Make copies for our list, plus members can receive a copy of their car in service when found, IF any are found.

There has got to be a ton of them out there. Just take the time looking.
Mike ( Mac88CHP ) has offered to help out in that area as well with assignment cards.

He now has a pretty good " in " at the academy with a Sgt. or two I introduced him to, one who heads up the museum at the academy, plus the EVOC Sgt. who is very cool and I know will pull some strings for us.

I think they would like to see more CHP SSP's out there at the academy and on the EVOC track. I bet if we had a few restored CHP mustangs and presented the idea to them, they'd have a day for them at the academy.
I don't think too many people in the department realize how many are out there and the interest in them.

I do know that the EVOC instructors would LOVE to drive them if they showed up lol.
Just a thought. I know I am intent on finding an in service picture of my car.
It would be neat to have a photo of the car for the vin project, and I know everyone that owns a CHP SSP would love to have an in service picture of their car as well.
What do you think ?

28HopUp 10-03-2012 07:17 PM

John, I think it's a good idea to pool our resources to come up with likely E-plate ranges for each year. There will certainly be oddballs thrown in the mix though. I was searching the smog site today and in a batch of likely Mustang plates I turned up a Sierra 1500. Obviously, unit numbers were "randomly organized" (kinda like the phrase "jumbo shrimp").

28HopUp 10-10-2012 01:39 PM

Here are more 1993 CHP Mustangs confirmed via Aaron's matching success with the California smog website:

http://www.specialservicemustang.net...info111864.htm
http://www.specialservicemustang.net...info111868.htm
http://www.specialservicemustang.net...info111870.htm
http://www.specialservicemustang.net...info111871.htm
http://www.specialservicemustang.net...info111874.htm
http://www.specialservicemustang.net...info111875.htm
http://www.specialservicemustang.net...info111879.htm

:D

28HopUp 10-17-2012 11:04 AM

A bunch of 93 SSPs this time!
 
Aaron has continued his work on matching California smog certificates. Using his matches, we grabed screenshots to create the following pages:

http://www.specialservicemustang.net...info111889.htm
http://www.specialservicemustang.net...info111890.htm
http://www.specialservicemustang.net...info111897.htm
http://www.specialservicemustang.net...info111901.htm
http://www.specialservicemustang.net...info111902.htm
http://www.specialservicemustang.net...info111906.htm
http://www.specialservicemustang.net...info111910.htm
http://www.specialservicemustang.net...info111911.htm
http://www.specialservicemustang.net...info111916.htm




And Bobby found an interesting SSP for sale on Atlanta Craigslist, which is now added to our VIN Project:

http://www.specialservicemustang.net...info210457.htm


This SSP is from the Carolinas, but the agency documentation is weak for the cars listed in this DSO (#21-0820). Regardless, it is a true SSP and currently holds the distinction of being the last SSP in the final year of production that we have documented so far (i.e. the highest VIN in '93). We are not saying it is the last SSP built by Ford, but it is one of the last ones no doubt.

THANKS GUYS! :2thumbs:

93chipper 10-17-2012 11:31 AM

also there is a inservice photo of 5310 and it is a smpv

28HopUp 10-17-2012 02:37 PM

Nice catch Aaron! Here are two pictures from Mustang Kid's Motor Transport thread...

http://www.specialservicemustang.net...111906pic1.jpg

http://www.specialservicemustang.net...111906pic2.jpg


...which have been added to the page in our project for this car.


:)

93chipper 10-17-2012 03:49 PM

5310 also has a pic on the other ssp site it is at a station and is placed sideways in the pic and i have the smog report on 5338 but still havent found the vin

28HopUp 10-17-2012 05:11 PM

I checked and mac88chp has that picture in his fotki album:

http://public.fotki.com/Classicchp/v...p1992smpv.html

I would rather use his picture instead of one from the other site. (note, if you look at the description under his picture, Michael had already determined this car's VIN)

93chipper 10-17-2012 05:50 PM

the interesting thing that im running in to is they used 88 plates on 1992 pickup trucks year 2000 pickup trucks and a few 2000 and a 2001 taurus im am also thinking chp bought more than 150 units in 1993 with 88 and 89 plates

stadair 10-17-2012 09:50 PM

Whoa! 111906 is just 2 VIN #'s before mine! And it's painted all white! With no spotlights! Mine does not have holes for spotlights! So...mine could have been used painted all grey? That's what color is under the hood and trunk lid. Grey is the color that covered up the B&W. And mine could have had the plate number 895311 or 895312? I like... :-)

stadair 10-17-2012 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stadair (Post 37226)
Whoa! 111906 is just 2 VIN #'s before mine! And it's painted all white! With no spotlights! Mine does not have holes for spotlights! So...mine could have been used painted all grey? That's what color is under the hood and trunk lid. Grey is the color that covered up the B&W. And mine could have had the plate number 895311 or 895312? I like... :-)

Oh, forget E895311. I see that VIN #111911 has that plate...

93chipper 10-17-2012 10:22 PM

it can also be a 88 plate because they had 2 different prefixes in 93 they had a 88 plate and a 89 plate and 5312 was smogged in 99,98 and 96

28HopUp 10-18-2012 12:41 PM

Here is an interesting one, where the efforts of our group come together to verify a car. Using Aaron's method to verify cars through the CA smog site, in-service pictures from 1996 by Michael/mac88chp, and a coming out of service picture from Sam/MustangKid, we now have another car locked up in our project:

http://www.specialservicemustang.net...info189137.htm

:D

93chipper 10-18-2012 06:56 PM

it looks to be chp ordered WAY more than 150 ssps for 1993 my plate numbers are at 170 and counting and it does not count some units i cannot find

28HopUp 10-18-2012 07:37 PM

Aaron, our VIN Project supports your assertion that the CHP ordered more than the reported 150 SSPs in 1993. That year, SSPs were ordered by the CHP under two DSO numbers: 72-0009; and 72-0202. If we use the information in the VIN Project and only look at SSPs with the DSOs confirmed, we can determine the highest and lowest VINs in each batch, as follows:


DSO 72-0009
. . 112014 (highest VIN so far)
. - 111876 (lowest VIN so far)
. . . .139 units *

DSO 72-0202
. . 189153 (highest VIN so far)
. - 189093 (lowest VIN so far)
. . . . 61 units *


And if you look at the 1993 page, you will see that we have many other CHP Mustangs confirmed via smog reports to extend the range of VINs even further. So you are correct, Aaron.

* - When you count the VINs and include the lower and higher cars each time, the totals are bumped 1 more than the math would indicate.

93chipper 10-18-2012 07:42 PM

the 60 that we are just finding out are looking to be alot of the 88 plates and i found that unit that you have the door pic on the vin registry of being E881546

28HopUp 10-18-2012 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stadair (Post 37226)
Whoa! 111906 is just 2 VIN #'s before mine! And it's painted all white! With no spotlights! Mine does not have holes for spotlights! So...mine could have been used painted all grey? That's what color is under the hood and trunk lid. Grey is the color that covered up the B&W. And mine could have had the plate number 895311 or 895312? I like... :-)

Toshi, did you ever notice the following picture posted up in the Motor Transport thread?

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/.../mtm553035.jpg


Is the gray Mustang the same shade as your repaint? The above car has tinted windows, and no whip antenna on the 1/4 panel.

mac88chp 10-19-2012 12:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 28HopUp (Post 37244)
Toshi, did you ever notice the following picture posted up in the Motor Transport thread?

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/.../mtm553035.jpg


Is the gray Mustang the same shade as your repaint? The above car has tinted windows, and no whip antenna on the 1/4 panel.

It also has a deck lid "LX" emblem...those were deleted on the Mustang orders. I suspect that car may be an old patrol unit that was converted to an undercover unit. Those were easy to spot in the Motor Transport sale lot. Besides the big stereos and tints added, they had little things like that done to them to help make them look like convincing "civilian" vehicles.

28HopUp 10-19-2012 01:25 PM

Thanks for the info, Michael. That may be helpful to Toshi.

Aaron sent me 70 more smog matches - WOW! That must have taken a large chunk of time to go through. We will grab screenshots of those and add them in the next week or so to the project. There are several SSPs that I found to be particularly interesting because we have in-service pictures of them -

1FACP40E4PF189101 = E881541
...as shown in Michael's Fotki album:
http://public.fotki.com/Classicchp/v...pmustang5.html



1FACP40E4PF189132 = E881629
...as seen in Sam's Motor Transport thread:

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/...ngs/mtm6-1.jpg



1FACP40EXPF189135 = E881550
...as seen in Sam's Motor Transport thread:

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/...tangs/mtm7.jpg



1FACP40E4PF189146 = E881553
...as shown in Michael's Fotki album:
http://public.fotki.com/Classicchp/v...pmustang1.html



1FACP40E3PF189171 = E881556
...as seen in Sam's Motor Transport thread:

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/...tangs/mtm3.jpg



1FACP40E2PF189212 = E881610
...as seen in Sam's Motor Transport thread:

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/...tangs/mtm8.jpg



VERY cool indeed!!!

stadair 10-20-2012 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 28HopUp (Post 37244)
Toshi, did you ever notice the following picture posted up in the Motor Transport thread?

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/.../mtm553035.jpg


Is the gray Mustang the same shade as your repaint? The above car has tinted windows, and no whip antenna on the 1/4 panel.

No way! No, I did not see this picture before. Yes, that is the same color gray that is still on the underside of the hood and trunk lid! Wow! That could be it! When I got it, it had tint on ALL the glass, the windshield as well.

93chipper 10-20-2012 08:43 PM

mine was painted that color when it was decomissioned

stadair 10-21-2012 09:48 PM

93Chipper,

Mine '93 has three coats of paint. The original B&W, the gray and currently Reef Blue. The gray is still on the underside of the hood & trunk.

Mustang Kid 10-21-2012 09:53 PM

How did I miss that post!

Certainly could be it. CHP wouldn't park sale cars in the main lot after they were painted. Probably was used as an undercover, or travel car. Maybe was turned into a commander car?

Does your car have the tell tale CHP mounting holes in various locations?

Interesting how many cars at MT have inservice pictures to attach to them. I'd love to track down a couple of those cars...

Mustang Kid 10-21-2012 09:57 PM

And oh yeah.

1987 CHP Plate/Unit# range- E422886-E423060.

93chipper 10-22-2012 12:03 AM

mine has 2 coats it has black and white under the gray that it was painted in 98-99

FoxChassis 10-22-2012 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mustang Kid (Post 37329)
And oh yeah.

1987 CHP Plate/Unit# range- E422886-E423060.

That plate range is a total of 175. The VIN Project page has the first 170 plates (E422886 through E423055) accounted for. I wonder which VINs those last five plates (E423056 through E423060) were associated with? I just check the smog check plate lookup and there were no records for those last five plates.

Mustang Kid 10-22-2012 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FoxChassis (Post 37339)
That plate range is a total of 175. The VIN Project page has the first 170 plates (E422886 through E423055) accounted for. I wonder which VINs those last five plates (E423056 through E423060) were associated with? I just check the smog check plate lookup and there were no records for those last five plates.

Huh...

Got that info off of legit CHP documents. Stated 175 Mustangs.

93chipper 10-23-2012 12:09 AM

you cant find every plate by looking up smog records im missing some that i cant find and it is harder to go back over 20 years ago records to look at plates i noticed some of the vins dropped some smog reports compared to the plates

FoxChassis 10-23-2012 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mustang Kid (Post 37353)
Huh...

Got that info off of legit CHP documents. Stated 175 Mustangs.

Sam, I wasn't saying that info was not legit. What I was saying was on the 1987 VIN Project page there is a large batch of 172 VINs (184710-184881) and the first 170 of those plates are in that batch (all but the first two VINs). I was wondering which VINs the last five of those plate numbers were associated with.

In the middle of typing this reply I went back to the 1987 VIN Project page and found those last five plates in a batch of five VINs (219944-219948). So :thumbsup: to you for helping me to discover that.

Mick

FoxChassis 10-23-2012 08:41 AM

Also, in that batch of 170 CHPs, the first 85 had FY (Beige cloth) trim and the second 85 had FG (Medium Grey cloth) trim. I wonder what the small batch of five had for trim. I am also curious as to why those five were ordered separately and what the CHP used them for.

28HopUp 10-23-2012 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FoxChassis (Post 37369)
In the middle of typing this reply I went back to the 1987 VIN Project page and found those last five plates in a batch of five VINs (219944-219948). So :thumbsup: to you for helping me to discover that.

Mick, we need to add those 5 VINs to our project. Can you shoot me the complete VINs and any add'l documentation about those cars? I will add them to the project. :)

FoxChassis 10-23-2012 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 28HopUp (Post 37371)
Mick, we need to add those 5 VINs to our project. Can you shoot me the complete VINs and any add'l documentation about those cars? I will add them to the project. :)

Bill:

I made a typo on the CUN. Instead of 219944-219948 I meant to type 229944-229948. I don't have any additional info other than what is already on each of those pages.

http://www.specialservicemustang.net...info229944.htm
http://www.specialservicemustang.net...info229945.htm
http://www.specialservicemustang.net...info229946.htm
http://www.specialservicemustang.net...info229947.htm
http://www.specialservicemustang.net...info229948.htm

Mick

stadair 10-23-2012 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mustang Kid (Post 37328)
How did I miss that post!

Certainly could be it. CHP wouldn't park sale cars in the main lot after they were painted. Probably was used as an undercover, or travel car. Maybe was turned into a commander car?

Does your car have the tell tale CHP mounting holes in various locations?

Interesting how many cars at MT have inservice pictures to attach to them. I'd love to track down a couple of those cars...

I'm assuming you are speaking to me...

My car has no holes what so ever. None in the A-pillar, interior plastic, package tray, roof, or quarter panel. I believe it has an reproduction front bumper as it does not have the 'MUSTANG' text. So if it had any holes in the original, we'll never know.

When they repainted before sale, did they typically paint the undersides of the hood and trunk? Because they just left it all closed up when they painted the Reef Blue, except for they painted the door jams and inside of the doors, too.

28HopUp 10-23-2012 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FoxChassis (Post 37372)
I made a typo on the CUN.

Haha! That's them. :D Thanks for clarifying...

28HopUp 10-25-2012 11:45 AM

Thanks to Aaron, we have added a few more 1993 CHP Mustangs to the project. The new additions start at 189075, as seen here on the 1993 page -

http://www.specialservicemustang.net/VINlist/93VIN.html


Pay attention to 189101, 189132, 189135, 189146, 189171, and 189212 which are the cars posted a couple of pages back where we have now matched in-service pictures to specific VINs using the CA smog site. I have 49 more cars to add using the smog information provided by Aaron, which I will get to as time allows. :)

28HopUp 11-07-2012 10:27 AM

All of Aaron's matches have been listed (thanks again!). In addition, I did a random SSP search and found a for-sale listing for a 1993 SSP that supposedly was originally ordered by Clayton County Georgia. Thankfully, the ad included a picture of the Buck Tags -

http://www.specialservicemustang.net...info202870.htm

Just two cars later is the never-in-service Mesquite, Texas SSP, which are both part of a 14-car batch of VINs.

:)

EXNODRAMANOTCH 11-07-2012 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 28HopUp (Post 37681)
All of Aaron's matches have been listed (thanks again!). In addition, I did a random SSP search and found a for-sale listing for a 1993 SSP that supposedly was originally ordered by Clayton County Georgia. Thankfully, the ad included a picture of the Buck Tags -

http://www.specialservicemustang.net...info202870.htm

Just two cars later is the never-in-service Mesquite, Texas SSP, which are both part of a 14-car batch of VINs.

:)

Yesterday I talked to the owner of "never-in-service Mesquite, Texas SSP" here in MN and he has put 4k miles on the car this year (now 5k total).

28HopUp 11-07-2012 12:52 PM

Nice to hear that he is enjoying the car!

Mick aka FoxChassis just provided us with a bunch of the CA smog matches for some 1992 CHP Mustangs, which we just put into the VIN Project:

http://www.specialservicemustang.net...info111618.htm
http://www.specialservicemustang.net...info111635.htm
http://www.specialservicemustang.net...info111646.htm
http://www.specialservicemustang.net...info111648.htm
http://www.specialservicemustang.net...info111674.htm
http://www.specialservicemustang.net...info111684.htm
http://www.specialservicemustang.net...info111686.htm
http://www.specialservicemustang.net...info111689.htm
http://www.specialservicemustang.net...info111697.htm
http://www.specialservicemustang.net...info111704.htm
http://www.specialservicemustang.net...info111716.htm
http://www.specialservicemustang.net...info111728.htm
http://www.specialservicemustang.net...info111751.htm


:)

MOstang 11-07-2012 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EXNODRAMANOTCH (Post 37682)
Yesterday I talked to the owner of "never-in-service Mesquite, Texas SSP" here in MN and he has put 4k miles on the car this year (now 5k total).

Good to hear..that's the way to enjoy it!


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