1993 SSP

[NoDrama43]

ok..I will weigh in here. I put my car up for sale for 10k. You show up with 10k cash and say I want to buy it, however I don't like the way your breath smells so I say naw.....I think I will keep it. so anyway....get the hell out of my driveway and oh yea.....sue me if you think I HAVE to sell it to you.

However.....in Ohio if you don't signal...(i.e blow your horn etc) before backing up now that BY GOD is something I CAN prosecute you for.....

WTF ????????????

Maybe a DEALER might have to sell......I don't know, nor do I care since I am not a dealer. The toolbox trashed an 82 coupe to race which is his decision to make. As for the 8k mile coupe the last three or four owners have been dealers. They buy cars to make money that is how they pay their bills. The 8k car has never been in service, it is NOT a SCHP car. not anywhere close, just a car with an ssp package that was never put in service or owned by a police agency. I would rather have one with 200k miles that walked the walk.

I havn't read the thread on herewegoagainorg and personally I can see no positive reason for doing so. also I am out of vicoden and jim beam.

[ImEvil1]

Originally Posted by NoDrama43

Maybe a DEALER might have to sell......I don't know, nor do I care since I am not a dealer. The toolbox trashed an 82 coupe to race which is his decision to make. As for the 8k mile coupe the last three or four owners have been dealers. They buy cars to make money that is how they pay their bills. The 8k car has never been in service, it is NOT a SCHP car. not anywhere close, just a car with an ssp package that was never put in service or owned by a police agency. I would rather have one with 200k miles that walked the walk.

Exactly (and I didn't mention any names in my original post, either).

It's just another example of a car being sold back and forth multiple times, and it's funny how the same people (dealers) are always involved.

I don't have a problem with dealers making money or earning a living, either; we all have to somehow. Just don't try to piss in our ears and tell us it's raining.

[5pt0Joe]

First, regarding the '82, I give a lot of people credit over on the 4EP site... many expressed their opinions on how they would preserve this car, not make it "unstock", but once it is the new owner's car, it is theirs.

I just sold my '88 GT convertible a little while ago and I'm glad and sad. Glad because it went to a Mustang home, but sad that it getting a new custom treatment that I probably wouldn't like to have on a car I own myself. Needless to say, I got what I wanted out of the car, gave the new owner a good deal, and still made a good profit. I got what I wanted, he got what he wanted, and we were both happy. I'm sure David would not like to see his '82 dismantled, but I'm certain he understands why it is going to be and respects it.

As far as legal mumble-jumble (and please correct me if I'm wrong), I was taught that in general (no mention of individual state laws), If you have a price of $5K advertised and you agree to buy it for $5K, you are legally in a contract (verbal or written, dealer or private). Dealer "has to" follow certain things versus private has more "flex" room (which is why people can get away with not selling a car for a particular reason, right, wrong, or indifferent). Now if you advertise $5K and someone offers you $4K, than it is considered a counter-offer on the original offer. You can accept with the same terms or decline. If you want to get $4.5K, and you "submit" (not counter-offer) a new price of $4.5K to the potential buyer, you are entering a new contract, legally allowing you to change part or all of the original contract before presenting it to the potential buyer.

Now to protect yourself, you could advertise it for $10K, tell all the smelly-breath people you are firm, but if you find someone you like, tell them it is $5K. Every interested party who doesn't counter-offer from the original $10K contract, you make out like a bandit. The second a potential buyer counter-offers and you decline, you legally are making a new contract! I will admit that when people ask me how much I would sell my TX DPS for, I say $50K with a big smile! Why? I just don't want to sell it, but they asked! Now if I could only find the right smelly-breath person! (And yes, I love the smelly-breath example)!

Example:
When I sold my '88 GT, I wanted $X amount for it as-is with new wheels and tires. The new owner made me a counter offer of $Y amount. I declined. I "submitted" a new contract opportunity with him by stating that he could have it for $Y amount if he brought his own wheels and tires. He agreed and purchased the car. The first contract was voided, the second one was completed. While he was looking at the car, I told him that if he didn't buy it, I wasn't going to sell it. I'd sell one of my others instead, since it was a fun car! But since he was there, I didn't bail out of the initial offer. I thought it was ethical to go through with the offer and not have him drive up for nothing!

I think ethics are a big part in completing a successful sale. If you give the "my dog ate my homework" approach to not sell a car, it might work, but it is not ethical, and people remember that. Sorry for preaching the ethics approach, but if you say you are going to do something, do it. Don't bail out at the last moment "just because". Word of mouth is the fastest, most effective, and cheapest way to market. You might think that by selling a car, you are marketing and advertising it to interested parties, but in an essence, you are also marketing yourself. People will remember that!

My 2c. Sorry, I get long-winded every-so-often, more-often than not!

[NoDrama43]

uhhh....there is nothing "unethical" about changing your mind and deciding you don't want to sell your car. If I am selling a car and the potential buyer has cash in hand and tells me he is dropping an LS1 in it I can assure you he won't be buying the car.

and the reason I would say to him for deciding not to sell it to HIM SPECIFICALLY is because I don't want the car to end up like that. Everyone needs to stop trying to make excuses as to whyyyyyy the dealers keep flipping this car. It is about the $$$$.

This car needs a good home but the price is so far out of wack now that I doubt it ever happens.

[Charlie]

This is what I meant when I said the car is not SERIOUSLY for sale. The seller may not see that yet. The 91 Santa Clara IS a car seriously for sale, get it?

[5pt0Joe]

Originally Posted by Charlie

This is what I meant when I said the car is not SERIOUSLY for sale. The seller may not see that yet. The 91 Santa Clara IS a car seriously for sale, get it?

Ah yes! You had a much simpler way of putting it now that I got it!

Also, as far as ethical or not, what I mean is that it is unethical to not sell someone a car "just because" of a person having purple hair, green teeth, etc... That is about the person. When it comes to about the car (i.e. turn it into a ricer), than I would object to the sale as well if the car meant a lot to me. I've made out quite well buying Mustangs from people who are certain that I want to keep the car to a stock standard. That's what I was trying to get at... sorry for it being late last night and I might not have been as clear as I would have liked to have been!

[ImEvil1]

I see your points.

This part of the thread was derailed and sent down the whole selling debate path by VintageRacer (Mike) who attempted to post that it was a crime to refuse to sell a car to someone.

Unethical or not, it's not a crime, and we try to keep the misinformation and internet attorney talk to a minimum around here. Really, it's all about cutting through the BS and calling it what it is, too.

I really hope it doesn't end up turning into what Joe (BHPD) mentioned yesterday, where the average enthusiast (read: not car dealer, nor flipper, but someone who truly loves these cars) is priced out of the hobby by those using it for business purposes.