MCA Question

[bonafide]

Originally Posted by NoDrama43

incorrect. CHP has had an exact standard for years.

Yeah .. ok.

[NoDrama43]

Originally Posted by bonafide

Yeah .. ok.

not busting your bones Bonafide just wanted to make sure that on this site we don't publish misinformation or incorrect data.

Many agencies have standard equipment configurations for their vehicles. FHP is an example however of an agency that just put the stuff wherever the local shop wanted it. Then the troops could add even more stuff as they pleased. Many police departments , and even some Federal Agencies allow the assigned officer to "personalize" their ride. (I installed XM Radio in mine).

To try and create an equipment standard for judges to follow would be a nighmare as there are so many variations. I have had several conversations with the MCA and believe the day will come when we have our own class however it will most likely be limited to manufacturer installed options and equipment.

[bonafide]

Originally Posted by NoDrama43

not busting your bones Bonafide just wanted to make sure that on this site we don't publish misinformation or incorrect data.

Unless you have a list of the actual equipment standards from the person who was in charge of purchasing for each individual vehicle/fleet - then allow for changes from suppliers and manufacturers per order as well as year to year - then it's not me publishing the misinformation or incorrect data.

I do equipment ordering for my agency, and at times it's absolutely impossible to duplicate equipment orders and configs to our agency standard.

[ImEvil1]

Originally Posted by bonafide

Unless you have a list of the actual equipment standards from the person who was in charge of purchasing for each individual vehicle/fleet - then allow for changes from suppliers and manufacturers per order as well as year to year - then it's not me publishing the misinformation or incorrect data.

I do equipment ordering for my agency, and at times it's absolutely impossible to duplicate equipment orders and configs to our agency standard.

You might want to do a little more research first, before putting out incorrect info and then not listening to someone who has been in the hobby for longer than 2 months.

http://www.specialservicemustang.net/MTM.pdf

That's the '92 version of CHP's Motor Transport Manual, directly from CHP. There are no "changes from suppliers" etc. etc. etc., since alot of the equipment used for the '82's on was specially made for CHP, per their specs.

[bonafide]

Originally Posted by ImEvil1

You might want to do a little more research first, before putting out incorrect info and then not listening to someone who has been in the hobby for longer than 2 months.

Please dont pretend you know what you're talking about. I can scan our policy manual as it pertains to equipment for vehicles as well, and as I already pointed out - BY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE - there is not an absolute when dealing/ordering from suppliers and manufacturers for equipment. It is impossible to produce large numbers of fleet cars EXACTLY the same for consecutive years. There WILL be inconsistencies. All you're showing me by trying to use a copy of SOP, is that you have NEVER been in Law Enforcement.

Why should I search something I've personally lived thru and dealt with - and continue to deal with? I've been IN the Mustang hobby world since the early 80s and IN Law Enforcement for 22 yrs - as well as owning a NEW 1991 SSP in 1991. You guys have this standpoint that you know every thing concerning (cop)cars and the fact remains, you are not the be all to end all when it comes to them and the hobby. Well, other than your reputations as a group proceeds you. Absolutely amazes me when someone counters yalls opinions, it dips from your end to insults and condescension.

[ImEvil1]

Originally Posted by bonafide

Please dont pretend you know what you're talking about. I can scan our policy manual as it pertains to equipment for vehicles as well, and as I already pointed out - BY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE - there is not an absolute when dealing/ordering from suppliers and manufacturers for equipment. It is impossible to produce large numbers of fleet cars EXACTLY the same for consecutive years. There WILL be inconsistencies. All you're showing me by trying to use a copy of SOP, is that you have NEVER been in Law Enforcement.

Why should I search something I've personally lived thru and dealt with - and continue to deal with? I've been IN the Mustang hobby world since the early 80s and IN Law Enforcement for 22 yrs - as well as owning a NEW 1991 SSP in 1991. You guys have this standpoint that you know every thing concerning (cop)cars and the fact remains, you are not the be all to end all when it comes to them and the hobby. Well, other than your reputations as a group proceeds you. Absolutely amazes me when someone counters yalls opinions, it dips from your end to insults and condescension.

There were no insults, and it seems that you brought alot of attitude here with you from the start.

I've been in LE for 18+ years. I also drove an SSP in-service. I still own a 1993 Mustang that I bought new. Does that make me an expert? I don't think so.

Maybe it's you who should take a step back and think about what you say, and how you say it, on a website that you joined two months ago.

If you're here to make a positive contribution, then by all means do so....if you are here to stir things up and start trouble, I'll happily show you the door.

Do some research on the Federal CC1 and maybe you might learn a little something. We learn things here on a regular basis.

[NoDrama43]

Originally Posted by bonafide

Please dont pretend you know what you're talking about. I can scan our policy manual as it pertains to equipment for vehicles as well, and as I already pointed out - BY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE - there is not an absolute when dealing/ordering from suppliers and manufacturers for equipment. It is impossible to produce large numbers of fleet cars EXACTLY the same for consecutive years. There WILL be inconsistencies. All you're showing me by trying to use a copy of SOP, is that you have NEVER been in Law Enforcement.

Why should I search something I've personally lived thru and dealt with - and continue to deal with? I've been IN the Mustang hobby world since the early 80s and IN Law Enforcement for 22 yrs - as well as owning a NEW 1991 SSP in 1991. You guys have this standpoint that you know every thing concerning (cop)cars and the fact remains, you are not the be all to end all when it comes to them and the hobby. Well, other than your reputations as a group proceeds you. Absolutely amazes me when someone counters yalls opinions, it dips from your end to insults and condescension.

Bonifide,

Our reputation as a group? You must be talking about the majority of SSP owners since most of the members here are members of both net and org. I merely corrected an incorrect statement you made. On another topic (since you brought it up) there are numerous members here (myself included) that are career LEO's. We just don't feel the need to try and impress everyone with all the yappity yap....... You are not going to impress anyone here touting your job experience.

" All you're showing me by trying to use a copy of SOP, is that you have NEVER been in Law Enforcement." another incorrect statement......and you owe Evil an apology.

If you want to contribute in a positive way that is great. This is a great site, with very little drama which is the way we plan on keeping it. It's your choice.

[1989 Tx DPS SSP]

The 45th Show was not your typical MCA Show. Tony S. and I have been wondering since 1998 on how our cars should fit into the MCA Judging. Saleen has ther own class and rules but even there are some conflicts on how a car was optioned from Saleen. Now we get thrown into whatever Class the Head Judge at the MCA Show feels. When we were in Oklahoma we had 5 -6 Cars scattered everywhere. This is due to the level of Restoration or Class that a owner feels he or she can go against. Concourse, Daily Driven,or Occasionally driven. I love my car but I could not compete against a car that is a concourse level restoration such as Aarons Alabama car. I drive my a lot and it shows. I agree it is nice to be able to park together at shows but it can be a heartache for judges at some of the National Shows. I think as far as Police Equipment is concered it should be based upon how clean install it is. But we known from pictures even alot of the installs from the agencies were not that clean. Everyone had there own way of doing things.

Tom

[jarhed123]

Originally Posted by bonafide

Please don’t pretend you know what you're talking about. I can scan our policy manual as it pertains to equipment for vehicles as well, and as I already pointed out - BY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE - there is not an absolute when dealing/ordering from suppliers and manufacturers for equipment. It is impossible to produce large numbers of fleet cars EXACTLY the same for consecutive years. There WILL be inconsistencies. All you're showing me by trying to use a copy of SOP, is that you have NEVER been in Law Enforcement.

Originally Posted by bonafide

I've been IN the Mustang hobby world since the early 80s and IN Law Enforcement for 22 yrs - ...you are not the be all to end all when it comes to them and the hobby. Well, other than your reputations as a group proceeds you.

I did not want to get into it with the differences of opinions here but bonafied you have struck a cord here, not only with me and the ones that have responded but with others who will not post. While your department might not be uniformed that is true for more than half of all departments in the U.S. because they give the individual officer the option to place their equipment where they want (i.e. FHP and my own Sheriff's Office) and the need to keep cost down.

I have restored a FHP car and for the most part all the equipment needed was found relatively easy and with the help of forum members. I am in the process of restoring an '85 CHP car and the equipment is so much harder to get because it was specifically made for CHP. I just can't use some equipment that another department ordered for backwoods PD. I have also owned Jim Young's old unit 9067 which he restored. That was a 1992 SSP and there was a hard line in equipment differences because CHP stopped the placing of the old style equipment on the newer cars. They did not mix match like most other departments would have.

I two have been into Mustangs for over 20 years and in Law Enforcement for 13. This makes no difference as we all know a one year rooky in a bad city has much more experience then a 20 officer in a slow and lazy town. We respect both officers for the job they do and the disaster that both have the potential of enduring but the years of experience or where they work will not help them with the knowledge of what the SOP or what the standard is or isn't with other departments, only theirs.

Originally Posted by ImEvil1

...Does that make me an expert? I don't think so.

Originally Posted by ImEvil1

If you're here to make a positive contribution, then by all means do so....
Do some research on the Federal CC1 and maybe you might learn a little something. We learn things here on a regular basis.

True statement and I will only add that in this sight you will not have your post deleted just because you make a factual statement about another or a correction to what someone else has said. I can't say the same for another sight that you have followed and taken their view that "your reputations as a group proceeds you". This sole statement is what offended me as I am a contributing member to the sight.

[NoDrama43]

Originally Posted by bonafide

Unless you have a list of the actual equipment standards from the person who was in charge of purchasing for each individual vehicle/fleet - then allow for changes from suppliers and manufacturers per order as well as year to year - then it's not me publishing the misinformation or incorrect data.

I do equipment ordering for my agency, and at times it's absolutely impossible to duplicate equipment orders and configs to our agency standard.

CHP ordered a "pilot car" SSP mustang every year. One car ordered to their specs that was built, shipped, and inspected prior to them ordering the rest of the cars for the fleet. I have the ORIGINAL documents in my possession. EVERY car was equipped FROM THE MANUFACTURER the same. Upon arrival the cars were inspected by motor transport for compliance to ordering specs then sent down the CHP assembly line to be equipped. A perfect example of "exact equipment standard" would be the CCI light controller. It was manufactured by Federal Signal exclusively for CHP. That is about as exact an equipment standard as you can get. If you want to contact my personal friend that has worked at CHP motor transport for over 25 years let me know.

I also order equipment for my agency, including cars. I don't accept cars delivered that are out of specs or not what I ordered.

in your original post you wrote "no agency has ever had an exact equipment standard for any of their in service cars." Your statement is incorrect, period, and the fact that you order equipment in 2009 has no bearing or relevence to what CHP has done for decades. I was merely correcting your mistatement nothing more.