1984 FHP, Tom Tate's old car

[svopaul]

Originally Posted by predator20

Is a '84 FHP is as rare or desirable as a '69 Spoiler II, I don't think so. So the same thing doesn't apply. Another '84 FHP would be a lot easier to find than a '69 Spoiler II. When Tom was selling I wouldn't have mind getting because it was at a decent price. But for $5400, I would find something I like better.

Well that's not really the point but it is extremely difficult to find one in that shape regardless. It's not like you can pick up the auto trader or Ebay and find a half dozen of these to choose from. If the guy "Needs" to sell it then he will negotiate...if not then he will stick to what he wants.....in the end it belongs to him and it's his choice on what price he names...there is no law or guideline out there that dictates people have to sell a car for what or close to what they paid for it. Sure it would be nice but in reality it very rarely happens. I'm just shining a realistic light on this.....

[ImEvil1]

I'll shine some more realistic light....

The guys over at FEP, for the most part, do not care that the car is an SSP. What the guy did is come to a website that does care, proceed to tell everyone what he paid, and then try to flip the car for a quick profit. IIRC, people here offered to buy the car for a reasonable return on the guys' investment, but he declined. I wish him well on his sale, but I don't see it selling very quickly at the price he has it listed at.

What he's doing isn't that much different than the guy who paid $5 for the '85-'86 centercaps. $2k is a big difference in 2 months. Just my humble opinion.

There isn't a huge market for an '84 FHP, either.

[svopaul]

Originally Posted by ImEvil1

I'll shine some more realistic light....

The guys over at FEP, for the most part, do not care that the car is an SSP. What the guy did is come to a website that does care, proceed to tell everyone what he paid, and then try to flip the car for a quick profit. IIRC, people here offered to buy the car for a reasonable return on the guys' investment, but he declined. I wish him well on his sale, but I don't see it selling very quickly at the price he has it listed at.

What he's doing isn't that much different than the guy who paid $5 for the '85-'86 centercaps. $2k is a big difference in 2 months. Just my humble opinion.

There isn't a huge market for an '84 FHP, either.

Mike, you are right for the most part about FEP but there are a lot of purists there...just not SSP purists.

To be fair, the guy did NOT come here to flip the car....he did come here but the way I saw things go down was that everyone expressed to him how rare the car was and how he should not modify it....at THAT time he threw a price out and at that time he really didn't intend to sell it. To be fair...it's a natural reaction for a human being after being told how rare/valuable a car is to name a higher price when asked to sell instead of keep and modify.

I'll agree that he may have a hard time selling the car....'84 models just aren't that desireable and the only reason this one is to some is because of it's history. I think realistically the car is worth $4,000...maybe $4500 as it sits....and that may be a different story if he is not including all the NOS parts that he got with the car.

You can't really compare him fairly to the guy with the center caps because the guy with the caps bought them with the sole intention of reselling them....this guy bought the car because he wanted it and wanted one to modify....not to just flip it. It was only after he was read the riot act that he even put a price on it in the first place.....as for the sale at this time, who knows why he put it up for sale but it should be obvious to him that he is not going to sell it quickly for the money he is asking.

No, you are right...there is not a huge market for the 84 FHP's....but what little market there is right now doesn't exactly have a lot of choices should someone desire to own one.

Now I don't have a stake in or don't really care about the car or what he sells or does not sell it for....but I do see both sides of this whole scenario having watched it unfold. I did for a short time consider buying that car when I saw it on ebay but only to clean it up and resell it to make a little money since it was so cheap....I wonder if I had how I would have been treated because my intent would have been to save the car from the wrong hands AND make myself a few bucks which I can't see anything wrong with since we are in America. You have to sit back and look at the situation as it unfolded for what it is....there is blame for everyone here to a certain extent, nobody involved is lilly white.....and there is nothing wrong with that, it's life but you have to be realistic and honest about the whole thing.

[ImEvil1]

Originally Posted by svopaul

Mike, you are right for the most part about FEP but there are a lot of purists there...just not SSP purists.

To be fair, the guy did NOT come here to flip the car....he did come here but the way I saw things go down was that everyone expressed to him how rare the car was and how he should not modify it....at THAT time he threw a price out and at that time he really didn't intend to sell it. To be fair...it's a natural reaction for a human being after being told how rare/valuable a car is to name a higher price when asked to sell instead of keep and modify.

I'll agree that he may have a hard time selling the car....'84 models just aren't that desireable and the only reason this one is to some is because of it's history. I think realistically the car is worth $4,000...maybe $4500 as it sits....and that may be a different story if he is not including all the NOS parts that he got with the car.

You can't really compare him fairly to the guy with the center caps because the guy with the caps bought them with the sole intention of reselling them....this guy bought the car because he wanted it and wanted one to modify....not to just flip it. It was only after he was read the riot act that he even put a price on it in the first place.....as for the sale at this time, who knows why he put it up for sale but it should be obvious to him that he is not going to sell it quickly for the money he is asking.

No, you are right...there is not a huge market for the 84 FHP's....but what little market there is right now doesn't exactly have a lot of choices should someone desire to own one.

Now I don't have a stake in or don't really care about the car or what he sells or does not sell it for....but I do see both sides of this whole scenario having watched it unfold. I did for a short time consider buying that car when I saw it on ebay but only to clean it up and resell it to make a little money since it was so cheap....I wonder if I had how I would have been treated because my intent would have been to save the car from the wrong hands AND make myself a few bucks which I can't see anything wrong with since we are in America. You have to sit back and look at the situation as it unfolded for what it is....there is blame for everyone here to a certain extent, nobody involved is lilly white.....and there is nothing wrong with that, it's life but you have to be realistic and honest about the whole thing.

Paul,

Glad we can agree. $4000-$4500 IMHO as well.

BTW, the guy with the center caps needed 4 for his car (1986 CSP), then sold the rest of the ones he found for crazy prices. He didn't buy them soley to resell.

[NoDrama43]

Originally Posted by svopaul

You can't really compare him fairly to the guy with the center caps because the guy with the caps bought them with the sole intention of reselling them....this guy bought the car because he wanted it and wanted one to modify....not to just flip it. It was only after he was read the riot act that he even put a price on it in the first place.....as for the sale at this time, who knows why he put it up for sale but it should be obvious to him that he is not going to sell it quickly for the money he is asking.

The original conversation started here because the guy posted on 4ep he had the car and was going to mod it. on 4ep the membership (ncluding moderators), promote, and commend their members who take pristine, low option, or otherwise rare cars and mod them beyond return. the guy was told when he bought the car how rare it was and WHAT it was. he didn't just learn that by accident, he learned it from Tom Tate. he is selling the car because he respects its heritage and has realized it needs to be restored, part of which he learned by the "reception" he got here. i will admit I went a litle overboard on him at first but I was responding in general to the situation due to my experience with the "Hackership" policies at 4ep.

bottom line the car is for sale. it needs to be saved and if it isn't then when it eventually gets hacked and raced we won't have the right to bitch about it.
as for him selling it, he has a right to ask what he wants, and we have a right to have an opinion about his motives. If I had the cash I would have the car, but it is out of the question for me right now. ANYONE that wants to buy this car can store it in my building until you are ready to work on it, (if space is an issue) Bernie are you listening??????????

[ImEvil1]

Originally Posted by NoDrama43

The original conversation started here because the guy posted on 4ep he had the car and was going to mod it. on 4ep the membership (ncluding moderators), promote, and commend their members who take pristine, low option, or otherwise rare cars and mod them beyond return. the guy was told when he bought the car how rare it was and WHAT it was. he didn't just learn that by accident, he learned it from Tom Tate. he is selling the car because he respects its heritage and has realized it needs to be restored, part of which he learned by the "reception" he got here. i will admit I went a litle overboard on him at first but I was responding in general to the situation due to my experience with the "Hackership" policies at 4ep.

bottom line the car is for sale. it needs to be saved and if it isn't then when it eventually gets hacked and raced we won't have the right to bitch about it.
as for him selling it, he has a right to ask what he wants, and we have a right to have an opinion about his motives. If I had the cash I would have the car, but it is out of the question for me right now. ANYONE that wants to buy this car can store it in my building until you are ready to work on it, (if space is an issue) Bernie are you listening??????????

Very nicely said (I almost see an apology to the guy in there, too).

Let's hope someone buys it.