Rebuild vs. Reman

ImEvil1 · #1 11-11-2007, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Winterpark SSP

The easiest way to slove this dilema is get the rebuild as they are most cost effective and have a warranty. There are no inconveniences as having to borrow tools, order parts and ask friend for favors. Then have the VIN restamped. Problem solved.

Even the purists would not know!

Good Luck!

Barry

Not only is restamping the VIN on a block unethical, it can also be illegal (depending on the circumstances).

86NeSSP · #2 11-11-2007, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ImEvil1

Not only is restamping the VIN on a block unethical, it can also be illegal (depending on the circumstances).

Kind of what I was thinking.

Matt

Winterpark SSP · #3 11-11-2007, 10:04 PM

Restamping is done all the time with classic muscle cars as finding the original blocks/transmissions to the cars is next to impossible. As in regards to the legality, it is perfectly legal within most of the states, but would confirm depending on where you reside. I am not condoning or implying "re-vinning" a car as that IS illegal, rather the enging parts discussed in the forum.

FHP0665 · #4 11-11-2007, 10:29 PM

I appreciate all the advice offered and as mentioned before, I want to try and keep it as origional as I can due to the collectabilty factor. Now that I know I have an option to do that and it won't be such a big pain in my cheap ass, I feel just a little better about it.

ImEvil1 · #5 11-11-2007, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Winterpark SSP

Restamping is done all the time with classic muscle cars as finding the original blocks/transmissions to the cars is next to impossible. As in regards to the legality, it is perfectly legal within most of the states, but would confirm depending on where you reside. I am not condoning or implying "re-vinning" a car as that IS illegal, rather the enging parts discussed in the forum.

It's not perfectly legal in most states, as many have laws specifically relating to defacing or altering VINs (whether on the engine or body of the vehicle). Additionally, it's just plain unethical.

FHP813 · #6 11-11-2007, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Winterpark SSP

Restamping is done all the time with classic muscle cars as finding the original blocks/transmissions to the cars is next to impossible. As in regards to the legality, it is perfectly legal within most of the states, but would confirm depending on where you reside. I am not condoning or implying "re-vinning" a car as that IS illegal, rather the enging parts discussed in the forum.

I wouldn't be too happy if I bought a "Numbers Matching" car and found out it was "restamped"

FHP0665 · #7 11-11-2007, 11:02 PM

Since I'm having the clutch issue with mine now and not driving it, I was actually going to buy an "extra" T-5 tranny on e-bay tonight so I could get it back on the road while I had the original rebuilt. The seller was out of Apopka which is just north of Orlando. His listing said it was rebuilt and shipping only. I sent him an e-mail asking if I could pick it up and if it had any miles on it since the rebuild as it did not specify. He responded back with "shipping only". I thought it to be strange as well as the fact he didn't answer my question about the miles.

5 minuts left and it's at $160 which I thought was a steal. I figured I would at least try 1 more time and explain I was just down the road in Orlando. I said "I would like to bid on it but can't see paying shipping because I'm in Orlando". I also asked again about the miles. He quickly responded back with "DONT BID!". Needless to say, I don't think he wanted somone coming back and knocking on his door after it crapped out after 100 miles. It went for $250 and I almost feel sorry for the poor sap.

calimustang · #8 11-13-2007, 11:34 AM

Thats very close to where i am right now.. dang that guy is hiding something, stay away from him.. whats his ebay name? i might know him across internet?

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Originally Posted by FHP0665

Since I'm having the clutch issue with mine now and not driving it, I was actually going to buy an "extra" T-5 tranny on e-bay tonight so I could get it back on the road while I had the original rebuilt. The seller was out of Apopka which is just north of Orlando. His listing said it was rebuilt and shipping only. I sent him an e-mail asking if I could pick it up and if it had any miles on it since the rebuild as it did not specify. He responded back with "shipping only". I thought it to be strange as well as the fact he didn't answer my question about the miles.

5 minuts left and it's at $160 which I thought was a steal. I figured I would at least try 1 more time and explain I was just down the road in Orlando. I said "I would like to bid on it but can't see paying shipping because I'm in Orlando". I also asked again about the miles. He quickly responded back with "DONT BID!". Needless to say, I don't think he wanted somone coming back and knocking on his door after it crapped out after 100 miles. It went for $250 and I almost feel sorry for the poor sap.

FHP0665 · #9 11-13-2007, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by calimustang

Thats very close to where i am right now.. dang that guy is hiding something, stay away from him.. whats his ebay name? i might know him across internet?

venom1172 is his e-bay name as well as his hotmail e-mail he responded back from which is labeled with the name Hermine Lutz. He has a decent seller rating but why make an issue out of shipping if you have nothing to hide. Hell, if I lived on the same street as him, is he going to call UPS to have it hauled 3 doors down?

Vintageracer · #10 11-11-2007, 11:03 PM

What is actually "illegal" in most all states is the REMOVAL of the VIN number from a block. Yes, the decking process on a block will remove head surface area will also remove the "numbers" if they are stamped on the block head surface like older Chevy engines.

Virutally every state has some statute against the REMOVAL of a serial number or engine ID number from the block. Very few have any statutes addressing the re-stamping of of those numbers back on a block.

Now we all know why "restoration motors", I just love that term, are restamped before they are installed in a car. They increase the value of the car.

The problem that can then present itself is how is that motor represented by the seller when he/she sells the car? Do they represent the car as having the "original engine" or a "restoration engine"?

From my prespective there is probably NOT ONE SSP MUSTANG on the planet that could be represented/guaranteed as having its true original engine! Since most if not all SSP Mustangs were sold to government agencies and not individuals and have been sold at least once, NOBODY can represent their car as having the original engine BECAUSE the car has NOT been in the current owners pocession/ownership from day one when the car was new therefore you CANNOT guarantee the drivetrain to be original. There may be 1 original individul owner SSP Mustang still out there that could but I doubt it!

Since nobody who currently owns an SSP Mustang is the original owner of that car they CANNOT GUARANTEE the engine in their car is original. They may "think" it is, "know" it is or "dream" it is but they still cannot GUARANTEE it is the original engine since the car has NOT been in their personal pocession since new. Lot's of things could have happened to the original engine before your ownership of your car.

Having said all that, let's not ruin a bunch of SSP cars with all the "original engine" crap that I have put up with in Chevrolet's for the last 25 years!